FT-86/BRZ/FRS...discuss

[Chate]

What are your thoughts/impressions of this long awaited "AE86" revival?

http://toyobaru.net/gallery/data/502/ToyotaFT-09-2.jpg

[Vettezuki]

Can't tell so much from this pic, but it just might be pretty cool. Competition is tough. There's a lot of pretty good looking high performance cars for reasonable prices (depending on what you define was reasonable.)

[silverscmustang]

looks way too much like a Z mixed with a Genisis Coupe

[Chate]

its small vs the genesis, length and width closer to the Z, but does have a 2+2 style, RWD NA 4 with 200hp for ~20k

But i dunno either, i really liked the concept photos and stuff of this car, and have been following it for the 3 years or so its been touted about, but seeing the 2012 mustang GT go for about 26k lately i just dont see how Toyota is going to use the "value" angle, no matter how good it handles, the mustang is still a better "value" at over 200hp more and some very respectable handling for a car of its size

[Vettezuki]

its small vs the genesis, length and width closer to the Z, but does have a 2+2 style, RWD NA 4 with 200hp for ~20k

But i dunno either, i really liked the concept photos and stuff of this car, and have been following it for the 3 years or so its been touted about, but seeing the 2012 mustang GT go for about 26k lately i just dont see how Toyota is going to use the "value" angle, no matter how good it handles, the mustang is still a better "value" at over 200hp more and some very respectable handling for a car of its size

The GT would probably manhandle this car stock to stock in every category.

[SeanPlunk]

Cool car, but I think it has 195hp which is at least 100hp too little. Put a forged internal turbo 4 in one and we'll talk.

[BADDASSC6]

Gay. That Shit is over before it started. There are too many options with more power.

[Kozak]

I see both sides of this argument, it's cute(I mean cool!) and it's a good price point, but it's gonna have to put down a mean track record to persuade people from these other options at a slightly higher retail

[BADDASSC6]

The key is to sell it for Honda civic Nissan central money. Then they can move units. There are young kids that the extra 10k is a non starter, but don't want a front wheel drive car. All those America hating ricers

[Shaolin Crane]

The GT would probably manhandle this car stock to stock in every category.

Word. The GT has matched the M3 in everything so far except the price, and maybe the interior, even though i LOVE the mustang interior. No contest, used GT for me over this car.

[SeanPlunk]

It's biggest strength is the low curbweight. If they brought out a 300hp turbocharged version, kept the weight at 2700lbs, and kept the sticker right around 25k it would be okay I think.

[kdracer73]

It will be like the Scion tc...TRD will offer a supercharger for another 3 grand. Good for 40 more ponies.:huh:

[Vettezuki]

It will be like the Scion tc...TRD will offer a supercharger for another 3 grand. Good for 40 more ponies.:huh:

They may have missed the mark in this market.

[Chate]

It'll probably be a fun car though, 2660# is the "official" weight, and hopefully there'll be healthy aftermarket with turbos galore


Whats the situation on the mustang GT transmission woes of last year?

[Spots]

Biggest pro I see for this car is low curb weight, and the boxer flat-4. That lil motor will put the weight low, and far back, and make awesome f/r balance. Supposedly subaru is making an STI version, I'm hoping to see it with a turbo, and some other upgrades. It would become my summer car if they can keep it under $25k in STI trim. I'll keep the awd car for the winter (and for when I really wanna burn some corners.)

[Chate]

So far, subie has said NO turbo for the STI :( its supposed to have suspension and tuning only as far as speculated at this point and its a year later than the regular...that'd suck


its meant to compete with the mx-5 apparently from the latest thing i read from toyota after the spec sheet leak...in which case i like it, a hardtop miata, good weekend fun car

[Vettezuki]

. . . its meant to compete with the mx-5 apparently from the latest thing i read from toyota after the spec sheet leak...in which case i like it, a hardtop miata, good weekend fun car

I could definitely see that for the (more powerful and now gone) Sky and Solstice obviously, but this seems to be off the mark; really in a kind of no man's land. Or maybe it's in a niche I don't see. :huh:

[Chate]

I think with the mx-5 comment, they're referring to the "minimalist" approach, tone down the high tech stuff etc, focus on light weight, good handling for autocrossers? anyway, i like this comparison:

http://toyobaru.net/gallery/data/502/FT_IIvsGenCvsStangvsMX5.png

[AARP]

I think it'll sell well if they can keep it at the projected $22k. Light, RWD, and Cheap are a winning combination.

As for competing with the MX-5, the ball is in Mazda's court with the 4th generation miata next year.

[Chate]

totally, 22k brand new would be awesome! drive it for 3 years under warranty, then throw a STI motor in it...now THAT would be fun

[Vettezuki]

I wonder what the prediction markets say. I'll check it out later.

[kdracer73]

I. Or maybe it's in a niche I don't see. :huh:

They do say you'll go blind, doin watcha do.....How hairy are your palms?

[Vettezuki]

They do say you'll go blind, doin watcha do.....How hairy are your palms?

It's a close call, but possibly more than on your head.

Oh snap! I went there. ;)

[Ryridesmotox]

Well it's settled next year... I'll be getting one. I'm not worried about the anemic power output. I like how its the size of a shot glass and with a little magic from a sponor/interested party... I'm going to shoot for 400whp. Should put it about the same power to weight as a current Z06. Still deciding on auto or manual. But I do know it's going to have to be a turbo, intercooled, E85 burner to get anywhere near my hp goals... And I'll lighten it up a bit by yanking the rear seats and tossing in some lightened front seats. I'll see you fellas at the track with this one for sure.

[Shaolin Crane]

Well it's settled next year... I'll be getting one. I'm not worried about the anemic power output. I like how its the size of a shot glass and with a little magic from a sponor/interested party... I'm going to shoot for 400whp. Should put it about the same power to weight as a current Z06. Still deciding on auto or manual. But I do know it's going to have to be a turbo, intercooled, E85 burner to get anywhere near my hp goals... And I'll lighten it up a bit by yanking the rear seats and tossing in some lightened front seats. I'll see you fellas at the track with this one for sure.

I'll be waiting, with both ;)

[Chate]

http://jalopnik.com/5855983/the-197-hp-scion-fr+s-is-the-new-mazda-miata

more i read the more i want, if it really sticks at 22ish grand, i'll just get one as a dd (31mpg apparently) hope these scion folks dont price rape like the ford ppl (2011gt w 10k-12k markup at release wtf??)

[Vettezuki]

. . . hope these scion folks dont price rape like the ford ppl (2011gt w 10k-12k markup at release wtf??)

It's just supply and demand. If people will pay it, it's not rape (coercion), it's the correct market price. It'll come down . . probably. Just wait and let others pay the premium. But if you just gotta have it early, you can pay what they're selling for or not, your choice.

It's just the flip side of markdown to move slow product, where by some standard *reasoning* manufacturers and dealers get raped I guess. . . .

[Chate]

i mean doesnt scion have that whole thing where you pay whats on the sticker? or can they still add dealer premiums?

[Vettezuki]

i mean doesnt scion have that whole thing where you pay whats on the sticker? or can they still add dealer premiums?

As far as I know it is their business model to no-haggle on sticker. Nor do they go down. :huh:

[Vettezuki]

Just read a quick "Fiirst Drive" in MotorTrend. They were very positive, comparinig it very favorably tot he Miata, but noted it could really use about 100HP once you get used to it. Also, seems like 2,500lbs, not 2,700. :huh: That's getting pretty light, and if they make a turbo kit to pump it just a bit really, it'd be a hell of a fun driver in the real world for a reasonable cost.

[Ryridesmotox]

That's getting pretty light, and if they make a turbo kit to pump it just a bit really, it'd be a hell of a fun driver in the real world for a reasonable cost.

Thats that I'm thinking... Which is why me and Treadstone are eagerly awaiting the car that I will be buying haha. I am hoping for some good power out of it once it starts running ethanol.

[BADDASSC6]

You guys that want to get one of these for the track do me a favor, get bigger rear view mirrors and stay low in the banking:drink:.

[Ryridesmotox]

You guys that want to get one of these for the track do me a favor, get bigger rear view mirrors and stay low in the banking:drink:.

Haha we'll see about that! IF, and that's a big IF, I can hit my power goals on the stock lower end (400whp), it should be more than a match for a vette. By the way, you do have a nice setup in your sig :thumbs_up:

[Shaolin Crane]

Haha we'll see about that! IF, and that's a big IF, I can hit my power goals on the stock lower end (400whp), it should be more than a match for a vette. By the way, you do have a nice setup in your sig :thumbs_up:

IF you think that, and thats a big IF i'll enjoy watching the vette eat the peanut

It will be around the same as my car, 2700lb 400rwhp, but you'll have a turbo and a street friendly suspension, i'll be gunning for carlos before you ;)

[Ryridesmotox]

IF you think that, and thats a big IF i'll enjoy watching the vette eat the peanut

It will be around the same as my car, 2700lb 400rwhp, but you'll have a turbo and a street friendly suspension, i'll be gunning for carlos before you ;)

Haha nice... yea you won't have to worry about any lag...I'm gonna see what some bolt ons and head porting gets me... hopefully we can leave cams alone buuuut we shall see... I'm thinking with the rather high compression ratio, the car will respond well to boost up until a certain point then a person would have to rebuild a lower end with less compression to run higher boost. Only one way to find out.

[Shaolin Crane]

Haha nice... yea you won't have to worry about any lag...I'm gonna see what some bolt ons and head porting gets me... hopefully we can leave cams alone buuuut we shall see... I'm thinking with the rather high compression ratio, the car will respond well to boost up until a certain point then a person would have to rebuild a lower end with less compression to run higher boost. Only one way to find out.

Yeaaahhhh, lot of money, I'll stick with my old POS foxes.

[Ryridesmotox]

Yeaaahhhh, lot of money, I'll stick with my old POS foxes.

Yea I hear that... I still might get a fox instead, if the car is not to my liking at the official release this month... IE: if the lower end is not high quality forged units.

I am reading your previous post and in light of that, if I do get the car... I will dub her "Peanut" lol sounds like a good name

[BADDASSC6]

I will through you guys in with the pile. Let me know when you're ready for your lessons children.

[Ryridesmotox]

I will through you guys in with the pile. Let me know when you're ready for your lessons children.

Luls I'm down lets rock! haha I just saw this video today... It's a cobalt with a big turbo swap... maybe I'll be putting off the toyota after all hehe, and continue to hurt peoples feelings with my "just a cobalt"

ZZP EFR Cobalt 60-125 - YouTube

[Shaolin Crane]

I will through you guys in with the pile. Let me know when you're ready for your lessons children.

Alright, but Sensei may have some lessons for you as well, especially if i can swing getting an ls3/ls7 before my 347 goes in.

[BADDASSC6]

Luls I'm down lets rock! haha I just saw this video today... It's a cobalt with a big turbo swap... maybe I'll be putting off the toyota after all hehe, and continue to hurt peoples feelings with my "just a cobalt"

ZZP EFR Cobalt 60-125 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kKx5-UKEmc&feature=player_embedded)

That is definitely not enough.

[Shaolin Crane]

That is definitely not enough.

Seriously, my truck does that

310 tune boosted launch - YouTube

Thats about a 50hp less tune then i have.

[BADDASSC6]

Great, still not enough!

[Shaolin Crane]

Great, still not enough!

I wasnt saying it was, just reitterating that its not enough since a 9000lb truck can do the same.

[Vettezuki]

You pansies need to take the shit talking up a couple notches.

:popcorn:

[enkeivette]

It's a nice alternative to the Scion, that's about it. NA 4 cylinders are for street bikes.

[enkeivette]

Haha we'll see about that! IF, and that's a big IF, I can hit my power goals on the stock lower end (400whp), it should be more than a match for a vette. By the way, you do have a nice setup in your sig :thumbs_up:

His Vette is going to have 150%-200% the power, after you mod the piss out of that car, twice as much tire, much better suspension and brakes, at the expense of another... 500 - 600 lbs?

Ya, I'm rooting for the Vette too.

[C5Natie]

Ive read articles on it the last two months in MotorTrend. Im not big on the looks. Like a cheap LFA. Looks like itll be a 200hp NA to a 260hp turbo 4cyl. Itll sell as a Scion in the US. Not too bad I guess, a 300hp little turbo car with some tweaking.

[Chate]

yeah ^ is spot on...its not a vette killer, its a funster :)

who saw the new vette? c other thread...

[Damian]

Both look awsome, saw them at the LA car show.

[Chate]

Eh, so basically its an "okay" looking 200hp rwd car thats gonna cost 30k...official reveal Wednesday but i'm so disappointed...i think i'll pick up a mustang GT instead...stupid toyota

[xSpeedAddictX]

The cars look really good but like mentioned before, there are other options. The car could sell like the tC. Around here the tC is plentiful in supply. I guess we will see what it can do, I look forward to it.

[Chate]

Been so addicted to ft86club since the reveal...i'm back to liking it, since the price is back to low 20s speculation woot!

[SoCalC55]

The car they had at the LA auto show looked great... but just toooo little power output

very disappointing

[Chate]

c'mon, havent u seen initial D?? the 86 ALWAYS wins even if its underpowered LOL


I agree tho, i would have liked a 300hp car for around 30k...but hopefully there'll be a host of bolt ons and turbo kits that'll get us there within the first year or so :)

[Chate]

AHHHH guess who's getting one of the first 86??? MEEEEEEEE

well my gf just won the scion contest so we get it pre-release in our chosen color/trans...she's a lucky charm wooot =)
http://www.scionfirst86.com/

we r getting a black 6sp :) woooot now i can come to a meet!!

[kdracer73]

AHHHH guess who's getting one of the first 86??? MEEEEEEEE

well my gf just won the scion contest so we get it pre-release in our chosen color/trans...she's a lucky charm wooot =)
http://www.scionfirst86.com/

we r getting a black 6sp :) woooot now i can come to a meet!!

AWESOME !!!!!!!!

[Leedom]

AWESOME !!!!!!!!

Congrats!

[AARP]

Congrats on your $500 down payment even though you know neither how much it'll cost nor when you'll actually be able to pick it up :smack:

[Chate]

correction, REFUNDABLE down payment!

It guarantees me the car at MSRP the way that I want it and before the general public, no dealer markup. Its pre-ordered/sold out overseas till october 2012, so, in any case, i get it if i want, and can say no if i want after i test drive it...and everyone else has to wait neener neener :P

[Shaolin Crane]

Whats msrp?

[C5Natie]

Manufacturer Suggested Retail Price

[Shaolin Crane]

Thanks jackass, whats the cost of msrp?

[Chate]

LOL
so far only the spec sheets overseas have been released and it starts at 1.9million yen, which is base price for a prius out there too, so i'm expecting around 23k

[Shaolin Crane]

For that money i'll take a GT please. Or C5Z

[Chate]

I hear ya, had a C5 myself and loved it except she started costing more in repairs/maint at her age than she was worth, seriously considered the '12 GT for a while too, but getting the 86 early just sealed the deal for me, itll hold it value long enough that i can drive it, then sell it for what i paid in case i get bored

plus the 2013 GT is still a while away, and will doubtlessly have tons of dealer markup at launch...same with the C7 :)

[Chate]

Plus i'm trying to see if i can get some tuners to use my car...free parts in exchange for publicity...anyone know anyone?

[C5Natie]

Thanks jackass, whats the cost of msrp?

Anytime retard.

[Shaolin Crane]

I hear ya, had a C5 myself and loved it except she started costing more in repairs/maint at her age than she was worth, seriously considered the '12 GT for a while too, but getting the 86 early just sealed the deal for me, itll hold it value long enough that i can drive it, then sell it for what i paid in case i get bored

plus the 2013 GT is still a while away, and will doubtlessly have tons of dealer markup at launch...same with the C7 :)

I dont care for the looks of the '13. I'd rather buy a low mileage '11 or '12 for cheap. But thats me.

[Chate]

Aww i really like the new mouth, the HP boost, HID lights are gonna be standard plus it has that little built in screen that tells you shit, you know, so you can keep ur eyes off the road -_-

i was only joking abt the last part

[Shaolin Crane]

Sounds like you'd rather have a GT then a corolla ;)

[SeanPlunk]

AHHHH guess who's getting one of the first 86??? MEEEEEEEE

well my gf just won the scion contest so we get it pre-release in our chosen color/trans...she's a lucky charm wooot =)
http://www.scionfirst86.com/

we r getting a black 6sp :) woooot now i can come to a meet!!

Congrats dude, they're slick cars. I wish they had more power, but I'm sure their will be aftermarket solutions for that. Try Bassani and ummmm, I can't remember the other exhaust company but they're in Santa Margarita. Both will probably needs sample cars.

[SeanPlunk]

I think the company I'm thinking of was Magnaflow. I'd also contact Megan Racing and Stillen. I'd try it now before the car comes out so you're first in line. You should also try Vortech. I know a couple Camaro guys that got hooked up with systems from them in exchange for being test cars for fitment.

[Chate]

yessir! i got ur message late last night

I contacted cosworth, they do their RnD in texas tho so thats a no go, and vortech is in OC so i just twittered them and megan racing

since greddy is in bed with toyota i dunno if the other tuners have been able to secure pre-production cars too

[Chate]

so far no dice on anything besides magnaflow wanting to use my car, i think toyota is giving most of the big boys tester vehicles to promote aftermarket development, the drift car that scion is using already has a cosworth turbo engine (600hp) so they're not interested in my lil ole 86 haha

anyway i'll be going to Long Beach/formula drift opener to see the premier of that cosworth 86 as part of the first 86 winners package, 3 day in LB with all the food and booze i want plus tour of toyota/scion HQ, dinner with that jack hollis guy and HOPEFULLY finally a test drive of the lil bugger! I'll keep you guys posted and hopefully be able to bring it to the april/may meetup whenever the car is delivered!!

[Vettezuki]

My mom is totally into this little car. She might trade in her xB when there in full swing.

[Chate]

$24,200 is the price, i'm thinking of just going to the events and testing the car and then passing on it in favor of a C6 instead...price is whack

thoughts?

[Vettezuki]

$24,200 is the price, i'm thinking of just going to the events and testing the car and then passing on it in favor of a C6 instead...price is whack

thoughts?

You can get a C6Z (!!) in awesome condition for $35k.

[Shaolin Crane]

I've been seeing ls3 c6's in the low 20's. I'd go that route.

[Vettezuki]

I've been seeing ls3 c6's in the low 20's. I'd go that route.

It's an excellent platform, and if you're going to mod it out that makes more sense. I think there's even an advantage because of the steel unibody for welding cages or something like that. But if you're just going to buy and run, the C6Z has way more cache and is shit hot!

[Shaolin Crane]

But almost double the cost :suicide:

[Vettezuki]

But almost double the cost :suicide:

Your math is kinda funny.

22~:35~ != 1:2

[Shaolin Crane]

I go by cave man math and my inate skill of lowballing. Few times i've seen the ls3 vettes for 18-19.

[SeanPlunk]

You can get a C6Z (!!) in awesome condition for $35k.

No you can't. I found exactly one C6Z anywhere in the country on autotrader for less than 35k, and it had almost 70k miles.

[SeanPlunk]

I've been seeing ls3 c6's in the low 20's. I'd go that route.

No you haven't. Again, I did a search of autotrader and found 4 08+ (LS3) Corvettes in the country for less than 25k, and two of them were wrecked.

[SeanPlunk]

$24,200 is the price, i'm thinking of just going to the events and testing the car and then passing on it in favor of a C6 instead...price is whack

thoughts?

Autoblog is saying 24930. Too rich for my blood. I want a Corvette next (Alexis says I can't have one though) and I can get a supercharged C5Z with lower mileage for that price.

[Shaolin Crane]

No you haven't. Again, I did a search of autotrader and found 4 08+ (LS3) Corvettes in the country for less than 25k, and two of them were wrecked.

I dont search auto trader, I search CL. Auto trader people are over priced, always. The 08's dont come up alot but THEY DO come up. The lowest i saw was 18,000 for an 08 with about 60k on it. Dont forget, i paid 18k OTD for my 08 f350, with a higher sticker then a C6

Dont test the deal hunter, I pass on great deals all the time.

[SeanPlunk]

I dont search auto trader, I search CL. Auto trader people are over priced, always. The 08's dont come up alot but THEY DO come up. The lowest i saw was 18,000 for an 08 with about 60k on it. Dont forget, i paid 18k OTD for my 08 f350, with a higher sticker then a C6

Dont test the deal hunter, I pass on great deals all the time.

LOL, you do find some craigslist BS, that's for sure. Find me a C6 LS3 Vette for less than 22k though.

I owe you a text back by the way, today at lunch unless I have to report for jury duty.

[Shaolin Crane]

Its not BS. I have a nifty way of scoring parts for pocket lint, back rubs, dirty riddles and labor. If you're serious i'll start the hunt and let you know when I find something. If i do find something you need to be ready to pull the trigger asap or it will go away.

[Vettezuki]

No you can't. I found exactly one C6Z anywhere in the country on autotrader for less than 35k, and it had almost 70k miles.

A couple month's back I looked for a friend on eBay and found a couple in TX, all less than $40k, and a couple around $35k. Clean, relatively low mileage AIR.

[Vettezuki]

Autoblog is saying 24930. Too rich for my blood. I want a Corvette next (Alexis says I can't have one though) and I can get a supercharged C5Z with lower mileage for that price.

What about an older CTS-V or Bimmer of some sort?

As for me, when I have play money again, not sure I'll continue with the Vette or go for a Turbo Porsche. I'd like something with a little more daily utility, especially for driving in cities. But I'm not a big fan of the Porsche "sound" . . . the Vette of course sounds great and is just hoot to do drive.

[Shaolin Crane]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Chevrolet-Corvette-Z06-Track-Ready-Z06-w-Nav-6-Piston-Brembo-Brakes-Harness-and-2nd-Set-Wheels-/190655899536?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item2c63fa2790

What say you Sean?

[Vettezuki]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Chevrolet-Corvette-Z06-Track-Ready-Z06-w-Nav-6-Piston-Brembo-Brakes-Harness-and-2nd-Set-Wheels-/190655899536?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item2c63fa2790

What say you Sean?

Yeah. Like that. If you spend a little more and get out of CA, you can sometimes find newer lower mileage examples.

[SeanPlunk]

A couple month's back I looked for a friend on eBay and found a couple in TX, all less than $40k, and a couple around $35k. Clean, relatively low mileage AIR.

You can find 06-07 cars in the 37+ range, but they're usually higher mileage (at least 50k). I've never seen any really clean C6Z go for 35k.

[SeanPlunk]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Chevrolet-Corvette-Z06-Track-Ready-Z06-w-Nav-6-Piston-Brembo-Brakes-Harness-and-2nd-Set-Wheels-/190655899536?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item2c63fa2790

What say you Sean?

He said really clean. A 71k, 07 Z06 that still costs 36k doesn't qualify.

[Shaolin Crane]

This was just a single example after a minute of searching. That is still a clean car, still a z06

[SeanPlunk]

You can get a C6Z (!!) in awesome condition for $35k.

Original quote for reference.

So far we've found one that is still over 35k and most definitely not in awesome condition.

[SeanPlunk]

This was just a single example after a minute of searching. That is still a clean car, still a z06

It's a fine car. It's also certainly not in "awesome condition" and is still more than 35k. I watch the used market pretty closely. I've seen some Z06's on craigslist and vetteforum that are close to what he described, but still over 35k.

[Shaolin Crane]

It's a fine car. It's also certainly not in "awesome condition" and is still more than 35k. I watch the used market pretty closely. I've seen some Z06's on craigslist and vetteforum that are close to what he described, but still over 35k.

Your math is kinda funny.

22~:35~ != 1:2

Seems it was pretty clear, 36 isnt too much over 35, and if it was CL i'd offer him 30. It is an awesome condition car, we're arguing about the wording, awesome, great, wonderful. I think you're the only person who isnt on the same page.

[SeanPlunk]

Seems it was pretty clear, 36 isnt too much over 35, and if it was CL i'd offer him 30. It is an awesome condition car, we're arguing about the wording, awesome, great, wonderful. I think you're the only person who isnt on the same page.

I disagree. It's not CL, it's ebay motors and the lowest priced Z06 is 36k. I also checked CL and nothing local is close to as inexpensive as you say. To get an AWESOME condition, lower mileage C6Z is going to cost you in the high 30's at least, if not the low 40's period.

As for an LS3 Corvette, I've yet to see anything in the low 20's, especially in really good shape. I'm happy to be proven wrong, but I don't think you're going to be able to do it.

[SeanPlunk]

Yeah, I just looked on CL and the cheapest LS3 Vette I've found locally was about 28k. You're saying you're seeing them for 10k less. I just don't see it. You're a CL master no doubt, but again, I haven't seen ANY cars as cheap as you describe and I've been watching the Corvette market very carefully.

[Shaolin Crane]

Well as much as I love proving people wrong I dont have time to hunt, no one said anything about local. When I hunt I look all over the country. If someone was activly looking for one, I might designate more time to it, but frankly its not a priority so i'm not going to waste my time with it.

FWIW, my deal hunting skills yielded me (2) Maximum Motorsports Panhard bars for $100 last friday. If there is a steal, I will find it, or offer someone to make it a steal.

[Shaolin Crane]

Another thing I have to say, when these items are listed for these prices they dont stay listed for very long. Even if I do my thing, by the time I post something, its likely to be gone.

[Vettezuki]

Here's what I'd be comfortable saying about the C6 used market, based casual looking a few times over the past year, most recently a couple months ago.

Good to Awesome (my definition) C6Z $33k-37k
Good to Awesome (my definition) C6 $20k-25k

The best used car deals are almost always outside of CA. Ask Nordy Racer about what some shit hot cars and motorcycles are going for back home on the east coast. The best vette deals I've stumbled across have been in TX, which if memory serves is where Aaron got his. Blackax just drove a Trooper from NM because of the deal.

For me awesome does not mean mint/show/like new. It means very clean, undamaged, little where, light use, and low/reasoanble mileage.

[Shaolin Crane]

Even norcal prices are considerably lower, i drove my truck back from sacramento.

[SeanPlunk]

Here's what I'd be comfortable saying about the C6 used market, based casual looking a few times over the past year, most recently a couple months ago.

Good to Awesome (my definition) C6Z $33k-37k
Good to Awesome (my definition) C6 $20k-25k

The best used car deals are almost always outside of CA. Ask Nordy Racer about what some shit hot cars and motorcycles are going for back home on the east coast. The best vette deals I've stumbled across have been in TX, which if memory serves is where Aaron got his. Blackax just drove a Trooper from NM because of the deal.

For me awesome does not mean mint/show/like new. It means very clean, undamaged, little where, light use, and low/reasoanble mileage.

Look, I hear what you're saying, but literally you can't find one C6Z that fits that criteria. Maybe at 37k, but certainly not below that. This is including Autotrader, Ebaymotors, CL, and Vetteforums.

I could easily find an LS2 C6 in that range, but not an LS3.

[Shaolin Crane]

You know what they say about that "can't" word. I've heard it a thousand times. Usually its from people who arent willing to try, I have seen them, Ben has seen them, they have existed. Saying that one can't is a bold word. I can list out the list of "can't" i have achieved if you like ;)

[SeanPlunk]

You know what they say about that "can't" word. I've heard it a thousand times. Usually its from people who arent willing to try, I have seen them, Ben has seen them, they have existed. Saying that one can't is a bold word. I can list out the list of "can't" i have achieved if you like ;)

I'm saying at the present time, you can't find a lower mileage (less than 40k), clean C6Z for 35k.

After the C7 comes out, I think it'll definitely be possible though.

[Vettezuki]

Look, I hear what you're saying, but literally you can't find one C6Z that fits that criteria. Maybe at 37k, but certainly not below that. This is including Autotrader, Ebaymotors, CL, and Vetteforums.

I could easily find an LS2 C6 in that range, but not an LS3.

I don't know about the LS3s so much, but just a couple months ago there were a couple C6Zs in TX in that $35k-$37k range. They were good deals and got snapped up right away. That's part of the reality with demanded goods with an excellent intersection of price/quality, they don't stay on the market long. So yes, it's not like these are commonly available on a daily basis necessarily, a little outside of norms, but they do exist. That's all I'm saying. As for COMMON pricing for C6Zs in very good/excellent condition, that's more in the mid/high 40s.

Basically you're correctly pointing to the typically available, we're pointing to the possible (has existed).

And uber yes, when the C7 comes out, C6Zs will start to be commonly available in the $30s (current dollars).

[Shaolin Crane]

Again, you're limiting your search to local, we're talking about nation wide. Nothing wrong with a $100 plane ticket and a nice drive to get to know your new car ;)

I'll search lightly to see what i can find, but i'm not likely to find much if anything from my phone, which is where 99% of my posts are done from now.

[SeanPlunk]

The 2013 Subaru BRZ is "one of the most rewarding cars we've ever driven" says Edmunds after subjecting the new coupe to some track time. This, despite having a 0-60 time that rivals that of some minivans – 7.3 seconds. Inside Line says those numbers are mostly due to an overactive rev limiter that forces a third-gear shift at 59.2 mph. We bet that's an early tuner fix. Also likely to be improved with an aftermarket reflash is the 15.3-second quarter-mile time.

:o:o:o

For reference Motortrend ran this to a 7.1 0-60 and a 15.4-second quarter mile:
http://image.motortrend.com/f/29230496+w786+ar1/2011-toyota-sienna-SE-front-in-motion.jpg

[Vettezuki]

It's about the driving feel and how much speed can be maintained through corners, etc. The mark is an MX-5. Here's what an MX-5 does (still the best handling car I've driven.)

2009 Mazda MX-5 Miata Grand Touring 0-60 mph 6.8 Quarter Mile 15.1

[Shaolin Crane]

...(still the best handling car I've driven.)

Behave and i'll let you drive the 87 when the engine is ready ;)

[Vettezuki]

Behave and i'll let you drive the 87 when the engine is ready ;)

I'd gladly take you up on it! Though it's sorta hard to compare a V8 race car to a dd I4 road car.

[Shaolin Crane]

Its "technically" a street car. It has "full" interior and will pass sedan series rules, as well as SM rule book.
http://i524.photobucket.com/albums/cc322/ShaolinCrane/DSC_0040.jpg
http://i524.photobucket.com/albums/cc322/ShaolinCrane/DSC_0042.jpg

But yes, in all account as far as my garage goes, its a race car. Just a damn sexy race car
http://i524.photobucket.com/albums/cc322/ShaolinCrane/DSC_0024Modded.jpg

[Vettezuki]

Would you drive it 50 miles a day in traffic? The MX-5 is a pussy cat, reasonably comfortable, great gas mileage, A/C, stereo, etc. AND it's a hoot to drive on curvy roads. Even the sensation of acceleration from 0 is decent because its small and low. I could make a comparison for handling in absolute terms (or my perception of it), but the categories don't match at all. This Scion and MX-5 are appropriately comparable.

[Shaolin Crane]

Would you drive it 50 miles a day in traffic? The MX-5 is a pussy cat, reasonably comfortable, great gas mileage, A/C, stereo, etc. AND it's a hoot to drive on curvy roads. Even the sensation of acceleration from 0 is decent because its small and low. I could make a comparison for handling in absolute terms (or my perception of it), but the categories don't match at all. This Scion and MX-5 are appropriately comparable.
I've driven it all the way to ortega, in bumper to bumper traffic with a bad knee, to knotts, etc.

Car did an 8.7 in the 1/8th with the stock engine, I can only dream at this point what 500rwhp will do :drool2:

[SeanPlunk]

It's about the driving feel and how much speed can be maintained through corners, etc. The mark is an MX-5. Here's what an MX-5 does (still the best handling car I've driven.)

2009 Mazda MX-5 Miata Grand Touring 0-60 mph 6.8 Quarter Mile 15.1

While I see your point, I can't imagine having that much fun in a 15.3 second car. A C5 Z06 has 2x the horsepower, weighs only 200lbs more, and gets only 3mpg city and 2mpg highway less. Not an exact comparison of course, it's a 2 seater vs. a 2+2, but still you see the point. The C5Z would cost less too...

[Vettezuki]

While I see your point, I can't imagine having that much fun in a 15.3 second car. A C5 Z06 has 2x the horsepower, weighs only 200lbs more, and gets only 3mpg city and 2mpg highway less. Not an exact comparison of course, it's a 2 seater vs. a 2+2, but still you see the point. The C5Z would cost less too...

Personally, I'd take the MX-5 (which is much lighter) over the Scion, and a used C5Z over either for a weekend warrior. The thing I'm getting a little tired of with Vettes is that they're not so hot for tight city driving; a reason I keep coming back to day dreaming about Turbo Porsches. Smaller foot print, best in class visibility, reasonable mileage and comfort, all weather, staggering acceleration off the line, etc. Obviously used vs. used is more in the C6Z+ range, and modding/upkeep is more money too. I also don't particularly care for the way they sound, but I could see me in one some day. :huh:

[Shaolin Crane]

Porsche engines are pieces of shit though, 100k and they're toast, almost literally. When i was looking at play vehicles before the 08 high mileage carreras and turbp 911's were super cheap, and for good reason, the block would go south and you cant rebuild them.

C5Z all the way. Honestly i've been dreaming about diesel jettas. Knew a dude who had a 300hp 500rwtq one. Thing has an absolute monster sleeper. Got 3xmpg and in that small car would surprise lots of sports cars in it. Never got to see it run at the track though.

[Vettezuki]

Porsche engines are pieces of shit though, 100k and they're toast, almost literally. When i was looking at play vehicles before the 08 high mileage carreras and turbp 911's were super cheap, and for good reason, the block would go south and you can rebuild them.

C5Z all the way. Honestly i've been dreaming about diesel jettas. Knew a dude who had a 300hp 500rwtq one. Thing has an absolute monster sleeper. Got 3xmpg and in that small car would surprise lots of sports cars in it. Never got to see it run at the track though.

Kinda true. Though they're getting much better I think. It's useful to remember Porsche is true racing brand and Ferdinand Porsche said a proper race engine is one that runs at absolute potential for the duratino of the race and blows up crossing the finishing line or something like. In race conditions, Porsches are epic. But they're getting rebuilt/replaced constantly obviously.

I'd go with something like an EvoX, but I'm starting to get a little too old for the boy racer look. They can be dressed down. BMW is great, but a little too common/typical for me. The reality is I'll almost certainly just keep the C3 and really step it up over the years just to make it something truly unique and beautiful.

A life goal is to someday legitimately own a Ferrari, but that's likely out 20+ years, and assumes things go ok for me and the world itself doesn't do a head stand and take a shit on itself, which is a bit up in the air at the moment.

[Shaolin Crane]

Kinda true. Though they're getting much better I think. It's useful to remember Porsche is true racing brand and Ferdinand Porsche said a proper race engine is one that runs at absolute potential for the duratino of the race and blows up crossing the finishing line or something like. In race conditions, Porsches are epic. But they're getting rebuilt/replaced constantly obviously.

I'd go with something like an EvoX, but I'm starting to get a little too old for the boy racer look. They can be dressed down. BMW is great, but a little too common/typical for me. The reality is I'll almost certainly just keep the C3 and really step it up over the years just to make it something truly unique and beautiful.

A life goal is to someday legitimately own a Ferrari, but that's likely out 20+ years, and assumes things go ok for me and the world itself doesn't do a head stand and take a shit on itself, which is a bit up in the air at the moment.

I'd love an EvoX, awd, turbo. Whats not to love, damn other people, if you want it rock it.

Its tough to say what my ultimate dream vehicle is. I really think the fox was my dream vehicle, I grew up in a fox, I always wanted a fox with cobra rims.

I'd say my someday attainable vehicle is an R8 and my unattainable car unless I hit the lotto big is an S7. Most likely be destined to a life of fords and corvettes. I like building my car, its weird buying a capable one straight off.

[Vettezuki]

I'd love an EvoX, awd, turbo. Whats not to love, damn other people, if you want it rock it.

Its tough to say what my ultimate dream vehicle is. I really think the fox was my dream vehicle, I grew up in a fox, I always wanted a fox with cobra rims.

I'd say my someday attainable vehicle is an R8 and my unattainable car unless I hit the lotto big is an S7. Most likely be destined to a life of fords and corvettes. I like building my car, its weird buying a capable one straight off.

There are obviously lots of wild cards in life, but I think a Ferrari is not out of the picture for me within a couple more decades of hard nosed work. My dream mobile would be an Agera R.

[Shaolin Crane]

I believe if i finally get a badge i can easy purchase a R8. :drool:

[Vettezuki]

I believe if i finally get a badge i can easy purchase a R8. :drool:

I'd rather starve to death than work for government, but that's just me I guess. :smack:

[Shaolin Crane]

I understand, but I know i'd be a completely different officer then ones we're all use to. Yes i'm a dick but I also have a set a rules i guide my life by that i dont think other people do. How many other people do you know have never tried alcholol, any type of drugs etc ;)

[Ryridesmotox]

I understand, but I know i'd be a completely different office then ones we're all use to. Yes i'm a dick but I also have a set a rules i guide my life by that i dont think other people do. How many other people do you know have never tried alcholo, any type of drugs etc ;)

Border Patrol is usually accepting apps. It's kinda like diet coke... All the fun of law enforcement, non of the guilt of messing with people for speeding haha... The only US citizens I arrest or detain are slinging drugs to kids, and if someone sells drugs to kids they can get bent anyways.

[Shaolin Crane]

The problem with border patrol is its all the way down by the border

[Chate]

Hey all, back in OC now. I ended up buying a GTR!

[Chate]

That was a joke btw

I've been scouring corvetteforums and CL and ebay and autotrader and cars.com, and there are no really great C6 or Z deals to be had, probably also has to do with summer approaching...most of the cheaper cars have some fatal flaw, considering how much places like carmax pay for vettes (because they can turn around and sell them for decent amounts) there's no real doubt why the used market is shit.

Ultimately, sure the FRS is pretty expensive for what it is (24200 plus 760 destination is what brings it to that 24960 figure btw), but theres no other car like it out there and thats why i think they priced it so damn high. I will decide after driving it around, but i'm still leaning towards a yes, sure its 25k but overall cost of ownership for 3 years and 40k miles will be a LOT less than any vette i buy for 25k, i practically threw money at my C5 just for stupid shit that would randomly go bad, it was a great fun car, but definite money drain

[Vettezuki]

That was a joke btw

I've been scouring corvetteforums and CL and ebay and autotrader and cars.com, and there are no really great C6 or Z deals to be had, probably also has to do with summer approaching...most of the cheaper cars have some fatal flaw, considering how much places like carmax pay for vettes (because they can turn around and sell them for decent amounts) there's no real doubt why the used market is shit.

Ultimately, sure the FRS is pretty expensive for what it is (24200 plus 760 destination is what brings it to that 24960 figure btw), but theres no other car like it out there and thats why i think they priced it so damn high. I will decide after driving it around, but i'm still leaning towards a yes, sure its 25k but overall cost of ownership for 3 years and 40k miles will be a LOT less than any vette i buy for 25k, i practically threw money at my C5 just for stupid shit that would randomly go bad, it was a great fun car, but definite money drain

Your reasoning is sound. I think you'd be pretty happy until you get spanked by some girl in a V6 Mustang. Ah just teas'n, the only reason to have any toy/car is because you want to for whatever your reasons are. The rest is pretty much BS anyway.

[Shaolin Crane]

Word, go 5.0, or vette. Either I think are better choices, thats still a whole lot of money for a corolla

[Chate]

LOL Corolla?! c'mon dont hate THAT much

i'll keep you guys posted and take some pictures and videos at the event, they're gonna have to win me over if they want my money at this point so we shall see

and FWIW, i drove the '12 mustang GT around, its a fine car, but its way too big for my taste, though that price of 25,400 for the base model was mighty tempting :)

[Vettezuki]

Don't know if you saw this on our site, but if your max budget is mid-high 20s, this may be worth considering. I've seen this car in person a couple times and it is Sean Plunkett level awesome. I mean fucking immaculate. And vicious!

Twin Turbo G37S
http://motorgen.com/forum/showthread.php?t=30483

[Shaolin Crane]

Yes, that thing is very sexy. Something about muscle calls to me though.

[Vettezuki]

Yes, that thing is very sexy. Something about muscle calls to me though.

Oh I'd rock that G37 in a second. It's also more appropriate to my station . . if I had money anyway. ;) But the C3 appeals to my inner redneck, big time. I actually avoid reading that thread and Nordy's RC51 for fear of doing something stupid. :smack:

[Shaolin Crane]

I just have this need for unrefined bruteness. Though i'd love that g37 as well.

[Damian]

That was a joke btw

I've been scouring corvetteforums and CL and ebay and autotrader and cars.com, and there are no really great C6 or Z deals to be had, probably also has to do with summer approaching...most of the cheaper cars have some fatal flaw, considering how much places like carmax pay for vettes (because they can turn around and sell them for decent amounts) there's no real doubt why the used market is shit.

Ultimately, sure the FRS is pretty expensive for what it is (24200 plus 760 destination is what brings it to that 24960 figure btw), but theres no other car like it out there and thats why i think they priced it so damn high. I will decide after driving it around, but i'm still leaning towards a yes, sure its 25k but overall cost of ownership for 3 years and 40k miles will be a LOT less than any vette i buy for 25k, i practically threw money at my C5 just for stupid shit that would randomly go bad, it was a great fun car, but definite money drain

http://www.westcoastcorvette.com/p-4461-2004-corvette-z06.aspx

[SeanPlunk]

http://www.westcoastcorvette.com/p-4461-2004-corvette-z06.aspx

That's a nice car for the money.

[Chate]

Hah, i hate WCC

[Damian]

They are pretty stuck up, but its a nice car for a great price.

[SeanPlunk]

Chate,

Just put a turbo on the FR-S. With 300hp that car would be awesome with the low weight. Maybe contact STS and see if they're going to make a turbo kit for it?

[Shaolin Crane]

Fuck STS, they make the most garbage turbo systems on the planet

[Chate]

WOOOT
Just drove it. It's fine, its not redic powerful, but its redic fun.
Sitting at scion HQ, someone yelled out "can you bring out an LFA??"
And the result was:
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/475210_952629490900_19904994_38802433_1811558323_o .jpg

[Chate]

I also changed my car to white, its gonna look exactly like this:
https://p.twimg.com/Ap1GgIpCMAE7ZhG.jpg:large

[Chate]

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[Vettezuki]

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No embedding HTML and that video appears to be unavailable.

[Chate]

oh, i'll update it when i get home its a video of the LFA revving

:)


greddy is doing most of my work :)

[Chate]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3iDzxQ0YoU&feature=youtube_gdata_player

someone else's video of LFA

So rather than getting a discount, any ideas on how to get a full sponsorship? I was talking to Greddy yesterday at Formula D and they do have a sponsoring program but it requires you to create a portfolio/presentation to sell yourself...and i dont know anything about that.

[SeanPlunk]

Chate,

We gotta get together and have dinner. When does your car arrive? I've turned the corner, it sounds like they're really fun to drive by all accounts. I still think they need more power, but I think every car needs more power :)

[Chate]

yah for sure, its supposed to arrive sometime in may, we still dont have official dates though. They suggested that 300 cars were already enroute to the US, which suggests sooner rather than later though, but due to differences in shipping times to west/east coasts they didnt quote us a date of arrival :(

There are companies working on STi swaps, IS-F V8 swaps, LS1, and i'm sure a host of other potential engines for it (surely for a lot of money), so i'm sure the tuning potential is going to be pretty amazing. Also, NA D4S engines have hit 280WHP, so even all-motor potential (without turbo) is pretty high :)

[Shaolin Crane]

That car is perfect for Sean, with the way he drives and all. Why not get a neutered car :p

[Chate]

Last minute change of heart. Getting a C6 instead...too much unknown about the FRS and i'd be buying it only because of the contest.

That being said, if anyone see's a good deal on a LS3 c6 (2008+) please let me know!! I'm looking for 6sp with HUD (thats the only option I care for) anything else is a bonus, color doesnt matter a whole lot just not red, and white is a bonus (see below).

http://www.nadaguides.com/Cars/2008/Chevrolet/Corvette-V8-6-Spd-AT/Coupe-2D-AT-6-Spd/Standard-Equipment

I know its a z but I want the removable roof :)

http://www.mycarportal.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/white_corvette_z06_on_360_forged_wheels_02.jpg

[Shaolin Crane]

White c6=sex

[Chate]

It's kinda sad
http://consumerguideauto.howstuffworks.com/2005-to-2011-chevrolet-corvette-2.htm

the 'common issues' with the c6 are pretty much same as i had with the c5...way to go GM

(seem to have been corrected by the 2008 model?)

[Chate]

What a flip flopper...

Picking up my white FRS tonight :P the vette will have to wait till next time

UPDATE:
AEM is taking my car in for CAI
EIBACH is doing springs (pending dates)
Magnaflow in talks for exhaust dev

if anyone knows anyone please let me know, i'm in the mood for free parts :)

[Shaolin Crane]

:worf:

[Chate]

:worf:

HAHAHHAHAHAHHAHA


deserved. but still unphased. I personally invite you to drive it at the next meetup, trust me, its more fun than a vette. Drove both almost back to back to get to that conclusion plus i don't race, drag or other and went with the more fun DD :)

[Shaolin Crane]

I'll think about it, i still have an old poerwheel if i want to squeeze into a tiny under powered vehicle ;)

[SeanPlunk]

Congrats! Post pics.

[Vettezuki]

Congrats! Post pics.

Well, he uploaded this one. :huh:

http://motorgen.com/pic/data/1127/412306_3650440615919_1121600419_3365269_1957792390 _o.jpg

[Chate]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/461995_997483378350_19901245_38952835_943358202_o. jpg


yeah i look retarded with that grin on my face...

[Vettezuki]

It's a good looking car. What did you end up paying roughly out the door for what options, etc.? You better roll on ACH sucka. ;)

[Chate]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/p480x480/543027_997757808390_19904994_38954459_2098826723_n .jpg

Only options were the pearl paint(220) and a trunk mat (99) which brought the price up to 25245 plus tax (~2000), reg (~300) so 27.5 and then i added GAP and loJack for 1400 making it just under 29k OTD

I actually want opinions on LoJack, this car is the new acura integra according to Allstate, and there's some% discount (will find out monday) for having Lo Jack installed. I can still cancel and get that money (700) refunded if I dont get it, so let me know what ya'll think.

[SeanPlunk]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/p480x480/543027_997757808390_19904994_38954459_2098826723_n .jpg

Only options were the pearl paint(220) and a trunk mat (99) which brought the price up to 25245 plus tax (~2000), reg (~300) so 27.5 and then i added GAP and loJack for 1400 making it just under 29k OTD

I actually want opinions on LoJack, this car is the new acura integra according to Allstate, and there's some% discount (will find out monday) for having Lo Jack installed. I can still cancel and get that money (700) refunded if I dont get it, so let me know what ya'll think.

LoJack can be worth it depending on your insurance. Tell them you can get gap from your credit union for $395 (what we charge for it) and see if they'll knock it down for you.

The car looks awesome by the way. Want to stop by my grandma's in Placentia later so I can see it in person :jester:

[SeanPlunk]

Chate was nice enough to let me drive his car tonight.

It's awesome. It looks great, the seats are supportive, and the size is perfect. The clutch has good weight and the shifter is very precise.

Even though it doesn't have a ton of power, the car has a lot of low end torque and moves pretty damn good. The steering is really responsive and the tail seemed happy to whip around if pushed a little.

Overall I was extremely impressed. It was probably the most "fun" car I've driven.

[SeanPlunk]

P.S. Thanks again for letting me take it for a spin Chate! We'll do dinner soon.

[Shaolin Crane]

Can we get a review from someone who will actually push the car?
:jester:

[Vettezuki]

Sean, You mean tail happy like if you're doing it on purpose or tail happy like "hey look I'm going sideways didn't really mean to do that?"

[SeanPlunk]

Sean, You mean tail happy like if you're doing it on purpose or tail happy like "hey look I'm going sideways didn't really mean to do that?"

On purpose. Everything was pretty neutral otherwise.

[mdpalmer]

Someone at my work just bought one, it caught my eye when I walked by it in the parking structure. I think they are pretty sweet looking. I don't like the tail lights, and it could use bigger tires/wheels and another 100 hp :) Finally there is another sub 3k lb car out there. V8 swap in this thing could be interesting :pot_stir:

[Style]

I got an FR-S. If anyone was at Nicks meet July 14th it was there :) I love the car. Haven't done much with it because it is still in the break in process, but I cant wait till that's over.

[Shaolin Crane]

Do a massive burnout and rack it up to 120 and your break in is over.

[Vettezuki]

I got an FR-S. If anyone was at Nicks meet July 14th it was there :) I love the car. Haven't done much with it because it is still in the break in process, but I cant wait till that's over.

I had the old white vette and I'm "MG Runs" on all the sites we push events to.

[Style]

Do a massive burnout and rack it up to 120 and your break in is over.

AHHHHAHHAHAHA yea right lol that's pretty funny though lol

[Shaolin Crane]

I'm serious. Its how i've broken in all my vehicles, nothing seats the rings faster and puts the engine through a perfect heat cycle.

[blackax]

I'm serious. Its how i've broken in all my vehicles, nothing seats the rings faster and puts the engine through a perfect heat cycle.

I agree Running a new motor hard when its new will make everything fit better over the long haul. The worst thing to do is just put around town.

[Chate]

NICE! Congrats on the purchase. i'm coming up on 4k miles now and LOVE every day with it!

I tried hard to be moderate to it during break in, i read a lot of stuff like what the folks here have mentioned and ended up beating on the car in the canyons and getting the baseline dyno before 1000miles :( maybe bad in the long run, but i'm not too concerned

Finally, before any mods, the car needs tires, I notice it slips around and squeals everywhere lol kinda embarrassing sometimes when people think i'm trying to show off in a parking lot when i'm just going 10mph LOL trying to figure out which ones to buy now...

[Shaolin Crane]

Nt05's...

[Vettezuki]

Break in cycles for new motors and old motors are quite a bit different. You don't have to worry all the much about modern motors. It was more important in the olden days when the tolerances were much lower. AIR, it was mostly to do with fully seating the rings. Again, not so mission critical with new engines.

[fiveohwblow]

Nt05's...

This

[Chate]

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-6Sf9_DzeGRg/UAohIv-SQ9I/AAAAAAAABkE/MHhgEPKQObM/s576/IMG-20120720-00008.jpg

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-QsjwcCy-L-4/T_-4I39flVI/AAAAAAAABjw/lUFPFuWkbtI/s576/7444993510_94b6d35e1f_o.jpg

[SeanPlunk]

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-6Sf9_DzeGRg/UAohIv-SQ9I/AAAAAAAABkE/MHhgEPKQObM/s576/IMG-20120720-00008.jpg

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-QsjwcCy-L-4/T_-4I39flVI/AAAAAAAABjw/lUFPFuWkbtI/s576/7444993510_94b6d35e1f_o.jpg

Chate, what dealer did you use? I have a friend looking for one.

[Chate]

Northridge, but only because i HAD to cuza the contest...they actually sucked


I'd say go to Longo, they're the most straight fwd and have treated forum members the best :)

[SeanPlunk]

Northridge, but only because i HAD to cuza the contest...they actually sucked


I'd say go to Longo, they're the most straight fwd and have treated forum members the best :)

Is Scion no haggle pricing still, or can you negotiate?

[Vettezuki]

I was wondering about that myself.

[Chate]

Fixed pricing...

Sad part is a LOT of dealers sell the car optioned up to bring up the margin :(, Scion delivers to dealers monospec with no options and longo is one of the ones that allows buyers to get it completely stock

On the forums there have been a lot of ppl paying 30k for chrome'd rims and a fiveaxis body kit (2k)...granted those people are the ones with more money than brains, but dealers sell to highest bidder right...

[Vettezuki]

Just a market at work. If you wanna play you're gonna pay. I remember when the first Miatas came out. As I recall they were going for as high as 100% (yes 2x) retail.

[kdracer73]

Fixed pricing...

Sad part is a LOT of dealers sell the car optioned up to bring up the margin :(, Scion delivers to dealers monospec with no options and longo is one of the ones that allows buyers to get it completely stock

On the forums there have been a lot of ppl paying 30k for chrome'd rims and a fiveaxis body kit (2k)...granted those people are the ones with more money than brains, but dealers sell to highest bidder right...
Yea, this sucks......when I got my 05 Tc I worked at a Toyota dealer and they would not sell me one without 2K in aftermarket leather....I tried to find a dealer that would sell me one without some kinda add on crap and couldn't.

[Chate]

http://www.youtube.com/embed/JaS7n6qKQe4

because, donuts

[Shaolin Crane]

http://www.youtube.com/embed/JaS7n6qKQe4

because, donuts

I chuckled, also very impressed with the gt500

[SoCalC55]

Not a bad showing for the little guy

2012 Motor Trend Best Driver's Car
9th Place: Lamborghini Aventador LP700-4
8th Place: Jaguar XKR-S
7th Place: Ford Shelby GT500
6th Place: Chevrolet Camaro ZL1
5th Place: McLaren MP4-12C
4th Place: Subaru BRZ
3rd Place: 2013 Nissan GT-R Black Edition
2nd Place: Mercedes-Benz C63 AMG Black Series Coupe
1st Place: Porsche 911 Carrera S (ultra lame)


I still stand by my desperate need for power opinion. A friend of mine is looking into one and I was "lucky" enough to get behind the wheel of a BR-Z (he had to clear a credit/finance check... or whatever they call it to even get a test drive).
On a simple test drive the car felt small but very nimble and solid, but I just can’t get past the immense lack of power. Plus I have to say that on the BR-Z the interior is very lack luster for $30,000 (plus markup). The seats however... AWESOME

Make a STI or whatever version you want to call it which puts out a turboed 300hp stock (easily tuneable to a safe 350) and it could be a great little car

[C5Natie]

Ive seen a few of these when driving to work at night in the San Gabriel/Rosemead area, both the Scion and Subaru. Last night I got to run one really quick on the 10, it was blue so im guessing it was the Subie. My Chrysler 200 S pulled away pretty good so I can see that they need more power. Still tho wasnt that fair, 283/260 vs 200/151. Cool looking little car tho.

[Chate]

Ready? 11.3 sec 1/4 mile

Accelerated Performance Scion FRS / Subaru BRZ 400 turbo kit world record 1/4 mile 11.3@ 127.4 mph - YouTube

booooosted

[C5Natie]

Cool cuz the I saw at Irwindale last night was slooow

[Vettezuki]

These are great looking cars and from what I hear anyway, brilliantly balanced and stable. But this is Amerika, mmmkay. More fucking power please.

[Chate]

Word.

In stock form, even with the prius tires, it's more fun in the mountains than my vette (I've put 6k miles on it in 3 months because i drive out to ACH or MCR almost every week!!) I usually go with some college friends with Evos and WRXs and they can't stop talking about how unbelievable it is in the corners...I'm a crappy driver too and this thing inspires such confidence that I play tag with sportbikes on the twisties and a couple guys have asked "what is that car???" because they cant believe how well it keeps up, especially after hearing that its 200hp!

[Chate]

I've been tempted, but i'm really hoping to go all-motor...dunno how much i can get out of it yet, but my AEM parts are slated to be installed next month (hopefully, remember they borrowed my car for measurements back in MAY!!) and i heard something like 12hp from intake+exhaust which will bring it to 150whp on the dreamkiller dyno LOL

[Shaolin Crane]

I dont know why I dont like this car, everything on paper should mean I would like it. Well, except that my goped made more power.

[xSpeedAddictX]

I was impressed by what it could do when I saw one at an autocross event I was at recently. I don't know what kind of driver was in it or if he could do better or was better than everyone there but I would love to get behind the wheel of the car and see for myself.

[BADDASSC6]

I got to drive one. One of my STS3's got one. Very nice balance. Minimal body roll. Overall the performance limits (acceleration in any direction) are pretty low. It is just as under tired as it's underpowered.