fontana auto speedway closed

[heypal]

http://www.dragzine.com/news/fontanas-auto-club-dragway-closed-over-noise-concerns

The people that live around there are finally making their move after all these years, bunch of bastards.

[Vettezuki]

http://www.dragzine.com/news/fontanas-auto-club-dragway-closed-over-noise-concerns

The people that live around there are finally making their move after all these years, bunch of bastards.

Total.Fucking.Bullshit.

It's mostly an industrial area and the track was there long before any residences I'm aware of. That equals go pound sand motherfucker. You DON'T get to move in and start pushing existing businesses around, unless you have a legitimate health complaint (like causing hearing loss or giving you cancer), neither of which some drag races are going to cause.

This may be a case for the IFJ to start suing some people.

[SeanPlunk]

Sigh.

[Damian]

Total.Fucking.Bullshit.

It's mostly an industrial area and the track was there long before any residences I'm aware of. That equals go pound sand motherfucker. You DON'T get to move in and start pushing existing businesses around, unless you have a legitimate health complaint (like causing hearing loss or giving you cancer), neither of which some drag races are going to cause.

This may be a case for the IFJ to start suing some people.

I couldn't have said it better myself. Sad part is, it happens all the time and there is nothing the business can do about it. I work for an oil company that has been here way before houses started popping up and we have to kiss their asses all the time just so they don't complain to the wrong people.

[Damian]

The railroad tracks go by my house, if I complain enough, will they not go by anymore? Amtrak too??

[Vettezuki]

I was also wondering if the IE could do much more to flush itself down the economic toilet. Never underestimate peoples' capacity for unwitting self-destruction.

[enkeivette]

They must not have had very good representation. They should lawyer up and appeal. There was a case involving a steel company operating a car compactor. The compactor was on the other side of residential homes, and was noisy.

Steel company won. Court found that compactor had operated for many years, and it was no new news to the residents. And it would cause the steel company great harm to have to move at that point.

The speedway is well established and has been, and other than noise (which is nothing new to the residents given the history of the track) it is not a burden. However, forcing them to close shop would be a great burden on them.

Appeal Speedway! You have a good case.

[kdracer73]

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[injdinjn]

Other than a couple of homes surrounded by what look like junk yards the nearest tract of homes are 1800 ft east of the sand trap. And they sure do not cause more of a issue than the trains rumbling thru.

But funtucky doesn't care about street legal racers. I would not be surprised if the track didn't instigate this themselves to rid them of us.

I could never track it down, but I think the track got money from the State to get racers off the street. They never had more than 8-9 days of racing a year where vegas has street legal racing 2 or 3 nights a week. With the budget cuts at the State the backdoor funding was probably cut so no govt money, drop the program.

[Vettezuki]

Other than a couple of homes surrounded by what look like junk yards the nearest tract of homes are 1800 ft east of the sand trap. And they sure do not cause more of a issue than the trains rumbling thru.

But funtucky doesn't care about street legal racers. I would not be surprised if the track didn't instigate this themselves to rid them of us.

I could never track it down, but I think the track got money from the State to get racers off the street. They never had more than 8-9 days of racing a year where vegas has street legal racing 2 or 3 nights a week. With the budget cuts at the State the backdoor funding was probably cut so no govt money, drop the program.

That's an interesting theory and wouldn't totally surprise me.

I've NEVER understood the operations of the strip. I'm sure with a little time and marketing Fontana could pack them in under the lights virtually every Friday night even in this shit econmy. Throw in a couple decent concession stands that don't totally suck paying a cut, and while nobody' is going to get rich, it'd be decent small business for someone on that account alone. :huh:

[Shaolin Crane]

If I'm not mistaken this has been going on for a few years now, it was overturned a few times

[Damian]

That's an interesting theory and wouldn't totally surprise me.

I've NEVER understood the operations of the strip. I'm sure with a little time and marketing Fontana could pack them in under the lights virtually every Friday night even in this shit econmy. Throw in a couple decent concession stands that don't totally suck paying a cut, and while nobody' is going to get rich, it'd be decent small business for someone on that account alone. :huh:

Every time I've been to Irwindale, they have been packed. I don't see how they couldn't pull it off. I prefer the 1/4 anyways.

[enkeivette]

Then again, the court found that the steel factory had a useful community purpose. They prob wouldn't for the race track. Don't remember the elements off hand...

[kdracer73]

No change on the dragway site? It still shows all events and front page is street legals this Saturday.

[kdracer73]

That article has been updated....
"Threatened" by niose concerns....not closed

[Shaolin Crane]

Then again, the court found that the steel factory had a useful community purpose. They prob wouldn't for the race track. Don't remember the elements off hand...

So giving a location for thousands of car to go race legally isnt a useful community purpose? Its not new, states all over the country would fund drag nights and abandoned air strips, closed down drags strips etc. And those states were reporting a 40-50% drop in illegal street racing. Pretty useful to me...

[Vettezuki]

Then again, the court found that the steel factory had a useful community purpose. They prob wouldn't for the race track. Don't remember the elements off hand...

I hate utilitarianism. The principle should be prior property rights period. The "noise rights" belong to first comers.

[94cobra69ss396]

I hate utilitarianism. The principle should be prior property rights period. The "noise rights" belong to first comers.

Tell that to the people who ran Carlsbad Raceway. It got closed down because houses were built near the track and then the people who bought those houses complained about the noise.

[Leedom]

Tell that to the people who ran Carlsbad Raceway. It got closed down because houses were built near the track and then the people who bought those houses complained about the noise.

That type of shit pisses me off. If you do not want to deal with the noise then do not buy a property by a loud venue. I do not care if that was the only thing you could afford or you did not have kids when you first moved in. You should have thought about that stuff when you bought the property not just complain later. If you can sleep when a loud train passes by a property then do not buy a place by the tracks. :mad::mad:

[94cobra69ss396]

It wasn't just because of that, the city wanted to develope the land but it helped them close down the track.

I heard a while back that the new lady in charge at CSW doesn't like the Street Legals and this may be there way of shutting it down.

[Vettezuki]

Tell that to the people who ran Carlsbad Raceway. It got closed down because houses were built near the track and then the people who bought those houses complained about the noise.

It's communistic and anti-american (used to be anyway) in nature. It's the idea a group has a the right to impose a superior claim over the use of property that someone else owns just because they are larger in number. It effectively means you only "own" with group permission that can be imposed after the fact. Gross. While I'm crazy and even opposed to zoning per se, you're at least moving into zoning and when zoning emerges around you typically if you were already there, you're "grandfathered" in with what was there when you moved in.

[injdinjn]

One of the tract workers told a friend while they waited in the staging lanes that only Jr Dragster after monday.

Make your own conclusion.

[injdinjn]

Tell that to the people who ran Carlsbad Raceway. It got closed down because houses were built near the track and then the people who bought those houses complained about the noise.

No, the racers leased the land. And developing it into a business park generated millions in revenue compared to a few thousand.

[injdinjn]

Sheeple are stupid.
A friend of my mothers bought a condo that overlooked the old Meadowlark dirt airfield in HB off Warner. AFTER she moved in she "discovered" the airfield then started complaining about it. That's why when you buy property today there are umpteen pages of disclaimers and "did you knows" to sign off on. Nothing on the condition of the house, but heaven forbid you forget to tell a buyer that the kid down the street yells a lot.:smack:

But yea, looking at google earth those are new homes to the east. Guess they thought the racetrack only let electric cars race.

[SkunkLookingCar]

It's a great ploy by homeowners. Buy cheap property because of close proximity to noisy establishments. Piss and moan to close noisy establishment. Step three is profit.

The company I work for actually bought properties around our property and rent it out to quiet businesses (like storage facilities) just so we have a buffer zone to prevent complaints from residents eventhough we have been here since the 40s.

All I can say is it's bullshit.

[enkeivette]

So giving a location for thousands of car to go race legally isnt a useful community purpose? Its not new, states all over the country would fund drag nights and abandoned air strips, closed down drags strips etc. And those states were reporting a 40-50% drop in illegal street racing. Pretty useful to me...

That would be a good argument and a useful statistic if it can be supported.

[Vettezuki]

According to Ryne Cunningham:

They are still going to have street legal racing.... But no psca's or events like that

[Shaolin Crane]

That would be a good argument and a useful statistic if it can be supported.

I know in the case of the florida race track where they used an old airport it was reported by the state and local p.d. that the amount of street racing dropped by about 50% I recall reading an article about that track in drag times, mm&ff, 5.0 magazine and race pages.

[94cobra69ss396]

I did more research and it is not closing and they actually added additional Street Legal days. Due to the noise level some events have been cancelled or the catagories for cars without mufflers have been cancelled like with the PSCA. PSCA events are still being held at Fontana just not for the Pro Street guys.

http://competitionplus.com/drag-racing/news/17825-noise-restrictions-force-fontana-track-to-revise-2011-schedule

[injdinjn]

The article mentions a sound wall. It would have to be along Cherry ave and depending on height and length it could be expensive.

FYI. Caltrans did a sound wall study along the 57 fwy before and after the sound wall installation for ~ a month of data. The wall lowered the noise level in the immediate back yards about 15 dec but in the front yards almost nothing. Sound walls are a placebo that the State can get away with. If they really build one it will be interesting to see if it calms the nimbys.

[94cobra69ss396]

I also read that they already have the budget for the wall and were going to start construction but it has delayed until after the November 2011 hearing. This was in the article I posted "Construction of the wall has been delayed pending a November 7, 2011 hearing challenge to the revised standard, resulting in the 2011 schedule modifications."

[kdracer73]

Dragway site posting :

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SAN BERNARDINO COUNTY, Calif. (June 1, 2011) – Auto Club Dragway will continue to run events such as the popular Street Legals, PSCA, MNCA/MNRA and Jr. Drags for the remainder of the 2011 season. However, events such as the NHRA National Open and NHRA Unleashed have been cancelled for 2011. The revised schedule, which includes additional Street Legal events, is intended to ensure compliance with the current maximum sound levels for events at Auto Club Dragway.

In November of 2010, San Bernardino County approved a revision to the sound standards that apply to Auto Club Dragway, setting a new higher maximum sound level for events at Auto Club Dragway. The revised standard also allows a certain number of events to exceed that limit when the Auto Club Dragway constructs a sound wall adjacent to the strip. Construction of the wall has been delayed pending a November 7, 2011 hearing challenge to the revised standard, resulting in the 2011 schedule modifications.

“Auto Club Dragway has become synonymous with great NHRA events in Southern California,” said General Manager Mark Dawson. “While the changes to the 2011 schedule are disappointing, we’re confident these modifications will result in the long-term viability of Auto Club Dragway and preserve drag racing in Southern California.”

The challenge to the revised standard will have no impact on the 2011 Auto Club Speedway schedule.

Remaining 2011 Auto Club Dragway schedule

As scheduled: Junior Divisional – load-in June 17, race 18-19; Division 7 Junior Divisional Finals – load-in Sept. 23, race 24-25; Twilight Street Legal races July 30, Sept 30 and Daytime Street Legal races Oct 29, Nov 19 and Dec 3.

Additional events: Daytime Street Legal - June 25; Twilight Street Legal July 16; Twilight Street Legal August 13; Daytime Street Legal September 17; Daytime Street Legal October 15.

Modified events: PSCA – July 1-3, September 9-11 and November 4-6; NMCA/NMRA – July 8-10
For more information on Auto Club Dragway events and an updated 2011 schedule, visit www.autoclubspeedway.com/dragway.