CARB vehicle pass numbers

[injdinjn]

I don't know how many on here have noticed that CARB keeps lowering the pass numbers making it harder for older vehicles to pass their smog test. Just last year 5.7 TPI GMs were lowered 30%. It is my opinion that once emission levels are set for a vehicle they should not be lowered. I realize that CA wants our old cars off the road so they can steal more money from us thru vehicle sales tax and higher license fees, but, and I have told them this, my next vehicle will be a restored pre 1976.
I have sent a email to SAN (SEMA) discussing the above and the need for legislation to keep CARB from lowering the pass numbers, and preferably returning those lowered to their original numbers and remove NOX testing from cars like the mid 80's LG4s, which when built, were not subject to NOX emissions testing.
What I would like to do is get ALL the car clubs in CA behind this by contacting SAN. So anyone who wants to copy this or write their own and/or post this on other boards is welcome to do so.


This is the new director of SAN
Mike Dingell, Director, SEMA Action Network (SAN) at 202/783-6007, ext. 38 or miked@sema.org.

I posted this on about 5 boards, if SAN gets enough emails maybe they will get behind this. Then we can bombard our State legislators.

Thanks

[Vettezuki]

Do you have evidence in public record of the thresholds being reduced? It wouldn't surprise me one bit, but you need something concrete and unassailable to point to. As for CARB, they can go die in a fire.

[injdinjn]

We have 3 or 4 3rd gen people that have test sheets from past tests showing that the pass/fail had been lowered just last year, and my LG4 was lowered about 3 years ago.
So yes, we have data.
Everyone should keep their smog test results.
My guess is they are lowering the mid 90s and older. Turbo Lou has customers with the same problem now so I would guess they hit the turbo buicks last year too.

[Vettezuki]

We have 3 or 4 3rd gen people that have test sheets from past tests showing that the pass/fail had been lowered just last year, and my LG4 was lowered about 3 years ago.
So yes, we have data.
Everyone should keep their smog test results.
My guess is they are lowering the mid 90s and older. Turbo Lou has customers with the same problem now so I would guess they hit the turbo buicks last year too.

Somewhere the test protocols should be publicly listed (with history). If not, file a request under Freedom of Information. Here's the deal. Because we live in a particularly fascist state, it probably won't go far. CARB is populated by unelected bureaucrats who don't have to answer to the public. They have the power to create and enforce regulations (laws). They're basically out of reach. Even confronting policies based on obvious egregious stupidity (like the cited studies for effects of diesel on health that were COMPLETELY bogus) proves borderline impossible. Yeah government saving us from ourselves again.

[injdinjn]

That info would be useful for a court case, but not at this time. If the owners of cars 1976 and newer can't get SAN/SEMA to get involved then this will go nowhere as private citizens have zero power against CARB, Where SEMA carries a lot of political clout.
I just saw were Gingrich is calling for replacing the EPA with a agency that will consider economic issues also - If you believe that can be done call me, I'll sell you a bridge
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110125/ap_on_go_ot/us_gingrich_iowa

[kdracer73]

They have been doing this for years. They want all cars to perform "as new".
Specs from 2003 standards
http://www.bar.ca.gov/80_BARResources/02_SmogCheck/Engineering/ASM_Ave_Ph43.pdf

2000 Newsletter with pass fail numbers
http://www.bar.ca.gov/80_BARResources/04_Miscellaneous/Industry/SmogCheckAdvisories/SCA_Nov_00.p

[enkeivette]

I'm plan to sue CARB for injunctive relief as soon as I get on my feet. They are not allowed to discriminate against CA residents without a compelling state interest. Smog, might be one, but either way there is not enough of a proven connection between visual inspection and tailpipe emissions.

[enkeivette]

And really... smog isn't a compelling state interest. That hasn't been proven, and I don't see the courts adding it as one, they don't like to do that.

[Vettezuki]

I'm plan to sue CARB for injunctive relief as soon as I get on my feet. They are not allowed to discriminate against CA residents without a compelling state interest. Smog, might be one, but either way there is not enough of a proven connection between visual inspection and tailpipe emissions.

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And really... smog isn't a compelling state interest. That hasn't been proven, and I don't see the courts adding it as one, they don't like to do that.

Getting closer to my kind of prick. ;)

[Redondo Jon]

I admire attorneys who have guts. Most of the ones I’ve worked with have been burned-out weenies. Give ‘em hell enkeivette.

[injdinjn]

Last week it was announced that we are spending over $1million to put air filters in schools near the LA/LB harbors due to the high pollution levels from the trucks, cranes and ships in the harbor, think cargo vessels from China. We currently buy $4 from China for every $1 they buy from us. Yeah, that's fair.

They have also tracked air pollution from China to the Western US.

At least when the polluters were here we had some control, but with these trade agreements it's more profitable for the companies to relocate outside the jurisdiction of US laws, EPA, labor laws, etc.

[Vettezuki]

Last week it was announced that we are spending over $1million to put air filters in schools near the LA/LB harbors due to the high pollution levels from the trucks, cranes and ships in the harbor, think cargo vessels from China. We currently buy $4 from China for every $1 they buy from us. Yeah, that's fair.

They have also tracked air pollution from China to the Western US.

At least when the polluters were here we had some control, but with these trade agreements it's more profitable for the companies to relocate outside the jurisdiction of US laws, EPA, labor laws, etc.

Well, this gets stupidly complex. Maybe I'll come back to it later. . .

[Chuck]

Yeah why the fuck do I all of a sudden have to smog my Diesel?
BULLSHIT!!!

[Vettezuki]

Yeah why the fuck do I all of a sudden have to smog my Diesel?
BULLSHIT!!!

STFU peasant and pay up.

[Chuck]

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