Failure to Display Tags

[Vettezuki]

Forgot to put 2011 tags on my wife's car. Well, that was a $118 oversight. You've got to be fuc*ing kidding me. My contempt for all things government grows.

[SeanPlunk]

Did she have proof it was current when the cop gave her the ticket?

[Vettezuki]

Did she have proof it was current when the cop gave her the ticket?

The ticket was left on her car in a parking lot. :mad:

[SeanPlunk]

The ticket was left on her car in a parking lot. :mad:

Yeah, that's a shitty one :suicide:

I think in that case they should give you 30 days to prove your registration was current at the time. If it was, they should excuse the ticket.

[Vettezuki]

Yeah, that's a shitty one :suicide:

I think in that case they should give you 30 days to prove your registration was current at the time. If it was, they should excuse the ticket.

Setting aside the curiousness of requiring annual registration in the first place, that'd be sensible enough.

[94cobra69ss396]

Yeah, that's a shitty one :suicide:

I think in that case they should give you 30 days to prove your registration was current at the time. If it was, they should excuse the ticket.

I'm pretty sure that if you go to the station and show that the registration was current and that the tag is now on that you won't have to pay the full fine. I know when I got tickets for not having front license plates on the Cobra and Explorer that's all I had to do. It went from an $80 fine to $10.

I still have the one on the Explorer but not the Cobra. I didn't want to dril holes and ruin my front bumper so I just made a bracket that I bolted through the opening in the bumper. Once I got the ticket signed off I removed it when I got home.

[injdinjn]

Cops with the plate scanners are cruising every parking lot they can.

My son got one, for the same reason. I called the city manager and politely told him it was really shitty to be shopping in your city and get a fixit ticket in the shopping center parking lot. Threatened to tell everyone I knew not to shop in that city.
A Lt. called and said to bring the vehicle in with the tag on it and he would dismiss the ticket. And he did. $0.
Just have let them know a BS small change ticket could cost them a lot more in lost revenue.
Contacted the store manager too.

[Vettezuki]

Cops with the plate scanners are cruising every parking lot they can.

My son got one, for the same reason. I called the city manager and politely told him it was really shitty to be shopping in your city and get a fixit ticket in the shopping center parking lot. Threatened to tell everyone I knew not to shop in that city.
A Lt. called and said to bring the vehicle in with the tag on it and he would dismiss the ticket. And he did. $0.
Just have let them know a BS small change ticket could cost them a lot more in lost revenue.
Contacted the store manager too.


We own a business in the center. Maybe I'll bitch the landlord as well that potential customers wouldn't be too happy about nonsense tickets. It's total horse shit. I don't even know why cops are on private property. Oh wait, not unlike the mob, they've got to shake down citizens for cash. How could I forget. It's actually worse. When the mob extorts people for protection money they at least keep the riff raff out.

[Shaolin Crane]

Sad to say you still gotta pay a $25 processing fee, all my fixit tickets required this even if they were bullshit in the first place :rant:

[Leedom]

I remember a few months after I got my truck years ago that my dad used it to run over to sears at the Brea mall and a cop wrote me for one. I had gotten the registration the day before and had not opened the mail yet. My dad saw the cop and asked why she wrote me a ticket if she could clearly see the temporary registration slip in the front windshield. She basically said I should of had it by now. I sent in the copy of my registration and temporary registration and a few weeks later a letter saying the ticket was removed.

[Chuck]

Just say you put it on and someone must have pulled it off. You didn't notice it missing and ask if they could tell you how to obtain a replacement one?

[Shaolin Crane]

I'm pretty sure that if you go to the station and show that the registration was current and that the tag is now on that you won't have to pay the full fine. I know when I got tickets for not having front license plates on the Cobra and Explorer that's all I had to do. It went from an $80 fine to $10.

I still have the one on the Explorer but not the Cobra. I didn't want to dril holes and ruin my front bumper so I just made a bracket that I bolted through the opening in the bumper. Once I got the ticket signed off I removed it when I got home.

Thats what i do, im not going to queer up the front of my car by drilling holes

[Shaolin Crane]

Just say you put it on and someone must have pulled it off. You didn't notice it missing and ask if they could tell you how to obtain a replacement one?

If he does that he will actually have to get a replacement one. Cause they will void the old sticker.

[Chuck]

If he does that he will actually have to get a replacement one. Cause they will void the old sticker.

Yeah but it will get him out of the fine.

[Shaolin Crane]

Yeah but it will get him out of the fine.

Oh, he'll get out of the fine im sure, but either way he's going to pay a fee, either a processing fee or a tag reissue fee, welcome to the Republic of Kommiefornia, district of americastan

[Chuck]

Thats fuc#ed if they make you pay a fine because some a$$hole takes your tags off your plate.

[Shaolin Crane]

Thats fuc#ed if they make you pay a fine because some a$ takes your tags off your plate.

its not a fine, its a "processing fee"

[Vettezuki]

. . . welcome to the Republic of Kommiefornia, district of americastan

Must.Resist.Temptation.

[Shaolin Crane]

Must.Resist.Temptation.

Let it out Ben. Tell us how you feel.... :p

[Chuck]

F the man!!!

[Vettezuki]

Let it out Ben. Tell us how you feel.... :p

I'll be applying for CA DOJ and ATF permits pretty soon. It's probably best I keep some of my opinions to myself. :D

[Chuck]

Yeah good idea for our sakes?

[Shaolin Crane]

I'll be applying for CA DOJ and ATF permits pretty soon. It's probably best I keep some of my opinions to myself. :D

good luck, you're gonna need it :(

[Vettezuki]

good luck, you're gonna need it :(

I have a sparkling clean record and can do the Bureaucratic tango with the best of them. Combined with being persistent and annoying when I want something, I am a worthy adversary. :sm_laughing:

[Shaolin Crane]

I have a sparkling clean record and can do the Bureaucratic tango with the best of them. Combined with being persistent and annoying when I want something, I am a worthy adversary. :sm_laughing:

Yes but you're overlooking the states ability to say "No" with no explanation and completely ignore your paperwork,

[Vettezuki]

Yes but you're overlooking the states ability to say "No" with no explanation and completely ignore your paperwork,

Well, the CA DOJ left a message with me this morning saying that (to my surprise) for my scale of intended operation there are no license/permit requirements. Just have to check with the city of intended base of operations what their ordinances are. Still have to check with the ATF and get some insurance quotes. It's really the insurance side that could be a deal breaker.

[Shaolin Crane]

Well, the CA DOJ left a message with me this morning saying that (to my surprise) for my scale of intended operation there are no license/permit requirements. Just have to check with the city of intended base of operations what their ordinances are. Still have to check with the ATF and get some insurance quotes. It's really the insurance side that could be a deal breaker.

You could still do everything right, and they would still so "No" without an explanation, we've gone through it before, with our FFL, CCW and other permits in cali

[Vettezuki]

Just witnessed a fat gelatinous POS writing up out of date tags in a grocery store parking lot. The fu*kers have the unmitigated audacity to write "Commitment to Service" on the side of their cars. Should say "Commitment to Armed Robbery". This is in a city where the city hall and Police Department have brand new fantastic facilities where the working public is struggling to eek out an existence. What a joke. . .

[Vettezuki]

You could still do everything right, and they would still so "No" without an explanation, we've gone through it before, with our FFL, CCW and other permits in cali

Well, they made the mistake of leaving a message on my phone stating they were from the DOJ and that they don't really regulate what I'm asking about. In other words, I don't even need their "permission". If they want to take me to court later, that will be some helpful evidence. :) Now I have no idea about the ATF, but at least this initial hurtle is cleared to my satisfaction in order to proceed.

[Shaolin Crane]

Well, they made the mistake of leaving a message on my phone stating they were from the DOJ and that they don't really regulate what I'm asking about. In other words, I don't even need their "permission". If they want to take me to court later, that will be some helpful evidence. :) Now I have no idea about the ATF, but at least this initial hurtle is cleared to my satisfaction in order to proceed.

Oh trust me, they are veryt careful how they disqualify people. I've heard the following
-Reached the maximum number of applicants
-Are no longer accepting applications
-Improperly filled out paperwork (bullshit)
-Suspicious application
etc etc, get the idea?
Sucks, but im just saying dont get your hopes up.

[Shaolin Crane]

Just witnessed a fat gelatinous POS writing up out of date tags in a grocery store parking lot. The fu*kers have the unmitigated audacity to write "Commitment to Service" on the side of their cars. Should say "Commitment to Armed Robbery". This is in a city where the city hall and Police Department have brand new fantastic facilities where the working public is struggling to eek out an existence. What a joke. . .

Damn, way to make me feel like a POS :( :jester:

[Vettezuki]

Damn, way to make me feel like a POS :( :jester:

I thought you were just thinking about being a cop to become an official DT instructor someday. :huh:

I do feel sorry for the good cops (yes, they exist) who enter law enforcement to actually "protect and serve". I have no problem with the proper function of police. I have a big problem with the way we organize and fund police. The incentives are all lined up to abusing the public for non-crimes as much as anything. Throw in jerks on a power trip and it just sucks. Doug Marianni and at least one other guy on here were long time POs and they're great guys. In my ideal world, I'd be happy to pay a fee to the Doug Mariani Police to protect my property/neighborhood, etc. This is a whole other discussion.

[Shaolin Crane]

I thought you were just thinking about being a cop to become an official DT instructor someday. :huh:

I do feel sorry for the good cops (yes, they exist) who enter law enforcement to actually "protect and serve". I have no problem with the proper function of police. I have a big problem with the way we organize and fund police. The incentives are all lined up to abusing the public for non-crimes as much as anything. Throw in jerks on a power trip and it just sucks. Doug Marianni and at least one other guy on here were long time POs and they're great guys. In my ideal world, I'd be happy to pay a fee to the Doug Mariani Police to protect my property/neighborhood, etc. This is a whole other discussion.

I am, but i will still wear a badge for sometime before that day.

[Vettezuki]

I am, but i will still wear a badge for sometime before that day.

Just be a good cop, protecting the weak, and not lording your power over your (occasionally reluctant) employers and it's cool. If I'm successful with my anarchist revolution (peaceful, I'm not a bomb chucker :lmfao:) , I'll help you start your own police company. :pot_stir: :drink:

[Shaolin Crane]

Just be a good cop, protecting the weak, and not lording your power over your (occasionally reluctant) employers and it's cool. If I'm successful with my anarchist revolution (peaceful, I'm not a bomb chucker :lmfao:) , I'll help you start your own police company. :pot_stir: :drink:
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http://www.internationalhero.co.uk/d/dreddss.jpg
:pot_stir:

[Vettezuki]

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http://www.internationalhero.co.uk/d/dreddss.jpg
:pot_stir:

Not quite like that. There needs to be considerably more separation between the establishment of law (legal theory), interpretation of law (judges/arbiters), and enforcement of law. If you want to a wear a cod piece though, we could probably work something out. :judge:

[enkeivette]

Forgot to put 2011 tags on my wife's car. Well, that was a $118 oversight. You've got to be fuc*ing kidding me. My contempt for all things government grows.

Isn't that a correctable violation?

[Vettezuki]

Isn't that a correctable violation?

Yes. It was a little unclear. The ticket indicated $108 + $10 for the processing. When going to the station to get it cleared (I wasn't there) they said to send in the $10 for processing. Maybe because it was done within some time window. :huh:

[94cobra69ss396]

I just got another ticket on the Cobra for no front license plate. It's a $78 fine or $10 if I go and get it signed off. On the ticket it shows that expired tags ($78) is also a fix-it ticket that is only $10 if it is signed off as is expired registration ($104). I just have to go to the local police station to have it signed off and I pay them the $10 then. At least that's the way they do it here in Fontana.

[Shaolin Crane]

I just got another ticket on the Cobra for no front license plate. It's a $78 fine or $10 if I go and get it signed off. On the ticket it shows that expired tags ($78) is also a fix-it ticket that is only $10 if it is signed off as is expired registration ($104). I just have to go to the local police station to have it signed off and I pay them the $10 then. At least that's the way they do it here in Fontana.

same here in Covina, i get a no front license plate ticket, i put it back on, get it signed off, then take it off. Very simple, its more worth it to pay the $10 every time than it is to have a front plate

[tripower]

The $10 fee is livable for no front plate.

[Gary Wells]

Hey, if you guys that receive what you think is bogus tickets such as no front plates would post what city, parking facility, store name, it might help others such as me to avoid those areas. I have heard that this was going on, but I had no idea that it is going on in the Republik of Kalifornication to the extent that is evidently is. The right (East) coast is having it's share of problems on this issue too. It's just not Kool and it never has been since the early to mid '70's to wear a front plate. Now I am not going to comment on whether I wear a front plate on my vehicle(s) or not.

[94cobra69ss396]

Hey, if you guys that receive what you think is bogus tickets such as no front plates would post what city, parking facility, store name, it might help others such as me to avoid those areas. I have heard that this was going on, but I had no idea that it is going on in the Republik of Kalifornication to the extent that is evidently is. The right (East) coast is having it's share of problems on this issue too. It's just not Kool and it never has been since the early to mid '70's to wear a front plate. Now I am not going to comment on whether I wear a front plate on my vehicle(s) or not.

I received mine in front of my house in Fontana all three times.

[Gary Wells]

I don't want to be rude, crude, and socially unacceptable here but it would almost pay you to move. Different LEO each time? Never have I ever been so thankful that I don't live in Fontana.

[94cobra69ss396]

I live in a nice 2400sqft. house in a great neighborhood. I don't think a $10 ticket is worth moving for.

[Gary Wells]

I live in a nice 2400sqft. house in a great neighborhood. I don't think a $10 ticket is worth moving for.

J/K, I'm sure that you are right.

[injdinjn]

We all abhor front plates, even me. On some of my cars because they look like $hit and others because of camera enforcement.

But I was just looking at Hot Rod mag and some pics of CA hot rods from the 50's and 60's and even in shows many had front plates on them.

And my 89 GTA has never had a front plate on it and I don't have one to put on even if I wanted to. No plate and no bracket.

[94cobra69ss396]

We all abhor front plates, even me. On some of my cars because they look like and others because of camera enforcement.

But I was just looking at Hot Rod mag and some pics of CA hot rods from the 50's and 60's and even in shows many had front plates on them.

And my 89 GTA has never had a front plate on it and I don't have one to put on even if I wanted to. No plate and no bracket.

I just don't want to put holes in my front bumper. I put the front plate back on the Explorer and left it but the bracket I made for the Cobra sticks out about 2 inches further than the bumper. I don't want someone to bump into it.

[Shaolin Crane]

I just don't want to put holes in my front bumper. I put the front plate back on the Explorer and left it but the bracket I made for the Cobra sticks out about 2 inches further than the bumper. I don't want someone to bump into it.

thats why i dont have one.

[Gary Wells]

FWIW & IMHO, not wearing a front plate did not become a point of issue, i.e., i.e., until about mid '70's or so. I came across a pic of one of my most cherished hi-po cars that I owned in BFE, Wyoming about '72 or so, (virtually museum quality '69 Plymouth GTX, 440, white exterior with white interior with blue trim, all of the rare options) just a while back, and it wore a front plate.
In about '74 or so, I traded that car for a '70 Dodge Challenger T.A., 340, six-pack, 4 speed, and it also wore a plate. In about '75 or so, in the republik of kali, I bought a '68 Plymouth hemi GTX, and it also wore a front plate. More than likely, wearing a front plate became unkool in about mid to late '70's or so. By early '80's, I no longer owned a car that had a front plate.

[94cobra69ss396]

My Cobra never had a front plate on it ever since new. When I bought the car about 7 years ago it only had a rear plate. When I got the first ticket I had to go to the DMV and turn in my plate to get new ones so I would have both plates. That when I built the mount so I didn't have to put holes in the bumper.

http://www.motorgen.com/pic/data/500/IMG_1336.JPG

[Shaolin Crane]

Mine had a front plate, then when i had the emblems smoothed on the car i had all the holes filled, now i'll live with the tickets or put it somewhere on the dash.

[injdinjn]

Many 3rd gen guys make a bracket that extends back under the front chin and bolts up under there where ever you can. That way no holes in the front, and the law just states permanently mounted meaning no baling wire or duct tape.
I think the law mentions something about height, but if your bracket mounts the plate at the location of where it would be stock then you are good.

[Gary Wells]

I think that there are even some motorized ones available to be bought, or for DIY's.

[Shaolin Crane]

The flip plate is an option. but i dont think there is anything against putting it on your dash as long as it can be seen

[Gary Wells]

Went to a small cruise last Sat late afternoon-early evening, and saw something that I did not really care for. This was the late Sat afternoon cruise at Bob's Big Boy on Willow in Signal hill. I got there a little early and went in to get something to eat. After an hour or so, cars started coming in and after about 16 or so cars were there, I noticed that I was 1 of about 3 or 4 people that did not have a front plate on my vehicle. Shortly the SHPD cruised through and drove through the area quite slowly. After intently observing the cars, he left.
Never have I seen so many front license plates on the front of, shall we say "Kool" cars.

[Shaolin Crane]

Yeah, i noticed the same thing the other day, still i wont put a plate on my car

[Gary Wells]

BTW, I did not object to the presence of the LEO whatsoever, only the fact that something is definitely changing in regards to the enforcement of front license plates in some areas, maybe all.
I have not noticed the same thing yet in Donut Derelict's of Cars & Coffee - Irvine so I will see if the ratio of front plates to no front plates has change at either one of those places. Mayve this is because of the location of the cruise itself. Signal Hill is known to be pretty rough on some things.

[Small White Car]

The flip plate is an option. but i dont think there is anything against putting it on your dash as long as it can be seen


Are you in California?


The flip plate, swinging plate and other types of moveable plate mounts are illegal. So is placing the plate on the dashboard of the car since it is illegal to cover the plate with anything (like a windshield maybe) but on a safety note it's kind of dumb to place a piece of unsecured ALUMINUM on the dashboard of a car in any situation. If you've ever seen the inside of a street driven car after a collision, there is debris in there that you never would have thought would be an issue, no sense in adding to it. Besides, I sure would hate to be decapitated by my safety gear like the airbag on the passenger side.

I feel you guys for sure owning two Miatas, one with and one without front plates, I couldn't bear to go drilling into my car to keep LEO happy.

Slow down and think some and you can find a reasonable and still aesthetically pleasing solution.

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[Chuck]

It's aluminium.

[Sonic03SVT]

The only aesthetically pleasing place ive found to mount my front plates is on the wall in my garage. Never liked the way they looked, never used them, thus far *knock on wood* no tickets for it in 10 years.

[heypal]

LOL hey Aaron hows that working out for you?

[SeanPlunk]

LOL, ouch.

[SeanPlunk]

Maybe I should get one of these (http://www.ccmustangbrackets.com/brackets.html) for cruises...

[kdracer73]

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[jedhead]

How about this:

http://www.topspeedlabs.com/product_info.php?cPath=310&products_id=711&osCsid=p7260bp8ar96orsf8jb2mm08v6

Bob

[Sonic03SVT]

you know what the best part is?

Signed off the ticket, came, home, put it back in the garage.

Take that, CHP checkpoint.

[Chuck]

How about this:

http://www.topspeedlabs.com/product_info.php?cPath=310&products_id=711&osCsid=p7260bp8ar96orsf8jb2mm08v6

Bob

Thats sweet I would just hook it up to the accessory and when you start the car it comes out and when you turn it off it goes away. I like it.

[Shaolin Crane]

Are you in California?


The flip plate, swinging plate and other types of moveable plate mounts are illegal. So is placing the plate on the dashboard of the car since it is illegal to cover the plate with anything (like a windshield maybe) but on a safety note it's kind of dumb to place a piece of unsecured ALUMINUM on the dashboard of a car in any situation. If you've ever seen the inside of a street driven car after a collision, there is debris in there that you never would have thought would be an issue, no sense in adding to it. Besides, I sure would hate to be decapitated by my safety gear like the airbag on the passenger side.

I feel you guys for sure owning two Miatas, one with and one without front plates, I couldn't bear to go drilling into my car to keep LEO happy.

Slow down and think some and you can find a reasonable and still aesthetically pleasing solution.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v629/Onederbuddy/loplate2.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v629/Onederbuddy/diyjob.jpg

No, I live in the republik of kommiefornia. Here's my view on front plates, if its not on my vehicle, I can't view it, exactly how I like it.

There are plenty of things we all have done to our vehicles that is illegal, I'm not going to stop tinting my windows either. Nor am I going to start caring how loud they are, I don't give a shit about plate location, illegal mounting options etc. In the long run its only illegal if you get caught.

No plate on my stang and it will stay like that

[GL3]

The ticket was left on her car in a parking lot. :mad:

placing on your windshield is improper service. Not required to have tags btw on private property. They may claim it is ok if all entrances to the property say CVC is enforced, but you can still win. By definition, code isn't law or it would be the California Motorvehicle Law, yet is says code. Code only applies to specific groups of people, not everybody, thus you need to ask how the vehicle code applies to you. CVC section 15210 subsection J,L or M, i don't recall exactly but it is way down there, says the definitions in the code apply unless there is a Federal definition. This means the CVC is servient to a federal definition and there must be a constitutional delagation of authority to compel. So how can the fed regulate in the state when we have states rights? i'll get to that shortly. The first thing i learned in law school is: know the definitions so you mean and understand each other. Therefore if you go to Title 18 USC (United States code) section 31, you find the federal definitions. Read the lower right hand corner back of your license. What is a motor vehicle? May not be what you were taught. It is defined as a self propelled device used to transport goods or persons for hire or engaged in commerce. If your weren't performing the above, you weren't in a motor vehicle. BTW the definition of a driver, is one that operates a motor vehicle, so if your weren't hauling goods or persons for hire, you weren't driving as it is a commercial term as is passenger car. Passenger car is a commercial term for one that hauls people for hire, which is typically a taxi or limo. By now you may realize the the CVC is for commerical drivers only. It gets authority by constitution from the commerce clause. On the other hand, you are exorcising your liberty to as stated in the constitution, traveling the nations highways and byways freely and unhindered. If they stop you, which is the same as arrest, just sounds more friendly, you may ask them why have you arrested me? If they say you aren't under arrest, ask am i being detained or am i free to leave. Always ask questions, don't argue, reason or make a statement as it is considered fighing and they they have authority over you.