Crossroads Gun Show - Ontario Sunday, August 01

[Chuck]

With our new found group of gun enthusiasts. I was thinking about going to the gun show on Sunday. I wanted to see if anyone wanted to meet up and cruse out to Ontario? To check out some guns and gear up on Ammo.
:kali: :gatlin: :huh:

[Chuck]

Oh here is a Link (http://www.crossroadsgunshows.com/gunsched.htm). There is also a dollar off Coupon (http://www.crossroadsgunshows.com/guncoupn.htm). "Dollar saved is a dollar earned." or something like that.

[Vettezuki]

Looks cool, but I'll be helping my brother with his truck this Sunday. Maybe next time.

[Shaolin Crane]

I'm tapped out, had to get a new insurance policy, and pay other bills, but i do need some 9mm and .45 :(

[Chuck]

I think I am going to get some .45 reloads just to shoot at the range. To save some Chedda!!!

[Chuck]

You just took that guy for 390 you have to have some cash left. :rolling:

[Shaolin Crane]

I think I am going to get some .45 reloads just to shoot at the range. To save some Chedda!!!

If i had cash i would definitely get about 1k rounds of .45 but just not in the cards

[Shaolin Crane]

You just took that guy for 390 you have to have some cash left. :rolling:

yeah i "took" him :rolleyes2:, that was used to repair the broken tie rod and associated in my truck

[blackax]

It sounds like a lot of fun. Hit me up if you still want to go (to bad I only live 15 mins away from Ontario)

[Shaolin Crane]

Oh i want to, great chance to save some cash on ammo. But i need so much for my car as well to be able to take it to meets, rims, tires, and paint work

[Chuck]

Another option is we go on the 28th to Costa Mesa at 9:00 and show up to Lytle Creek at 11:00 ish?

[Chuck]

Make it a Kinda cruse from Costa Mesa to Lytle. Just a Gun Lovers Day???

[Shaolin Crane]

Make it a Kinda cruse from Costa Mesa to Lytle. Just a Gun Lovers Day???

i'll be spending enough money with the lady shooting, and shooting, then BJ's so probably not

[Chuck]

You need rounds or do you reload yourself?

[Shaolin Crane]

You need rounds or do you reload yourself?

I need rounds, im too lazy to reload anymore

[Vettezuki]

I need rounds, im too lazy to reload anymore

This is a question I've asked BRUTAL64 on FB today. (He's set up for reloading.) How much can you save by reloading. Forgetting the cost of equipment and maintainence, if a given round is X, how much less would a reloaded round be?

[Shaolin Crane]

This is a question I've asked BRUTAL64 on FB today. (He's set up for reloading.) How much can you save by reloading. Forgetting the cost of equipment and maintainence, if a given round is X, how much less would a reloaded round be?

Figure 1000 primers is 30 bucks
http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/?productNumber=657323&t=11082005
1lb of gunpowder is 23 buck, should be good for 1k rounds
http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/?productNumber=132834
Just using .45 cause thats what i shoot the most. but 2k rounds of .45 for $230
http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/?productNumber=421458
So figure you'll need 2k primers, 2lbs of powder, 2k bullets you are around $350 for 2000 rounds, typical 1000 round bulk pack of reloads costs you $400-$500
Thats a pretty healthy savings, especially when you start to sell your extra ammo.

[Vettezuki]

Figure 1000 primers is 30 bucks
http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/?productNumber=657323&t=11082005
1lb of gunpowder is 23 buck, should be good for 1k rounds
http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/?productNumber=132834
Just using .45 cause thats what i shoot the most. but 2k rounds of .45 for $230
http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/?productNumber=421458
So figure you'll need 2k primers, 2lbs of powder, 2k bullets you are around $350 for 2000 rounds, typical 1000 round bulk pack of reloads costs you $400-$500
Thats a pretty healthy savings, especially when you start to sell your extra ammo.


Mmmm. My brother and I are looking (obviously). This puts the .45 back in contention. The standard $0.40~/rnd round is too much.

Maybe we'll become armorers and sell to the MG peeps for a small markup. :)

[Chuck]

I would buy from you Ben. I want to reload but it is expensive to get started. Hurry before the 28th I need rounds.

[Vettezuki]

I would buy from you Ben. I want to reload but it is expensive to get started. Hurry before the 28th I need rounds.

What calibers are looking for? Obviously the Motorgen Armory price would be between materials cost and market for rounds.

Of course I say this having no idea how much a reloading setup costs. . .

[Shaolin Crane]

What calibers are looking for? Obviously the Motorgen Armory price would be between materials cost and market for rounds.

Of course I say this having no idea how much a reloading setup costs. . .

im sure you can buy used for as little as 200 bucks, or spend all the way up to 2000 for a completely automatic setup

[Vettezuki]

im sure you can buy used for as little as 200 bucks, or spend all the way up to 2000 for a completely automatic setup

Research and econometric calculation underway.

[Chuck]

Right now I only have a .45 acp and a S&W 500. But hope to be adding to my collection in the near future. I don't know if its worth the trip to the Gun Show with admission cost just to buy ammo. I don't know that the savings is that great. So unless we can get a few people to go I may not go.

[Vettezuki]

Any of you guys go? My brother and I worked on his truck and other stuff today.

He's narrowing in on a choice of 9mm:
SA Xd 9mm 5"
Beretta 92FS
Beretta PX4 Storm

I've basically decided on a Dillon RL550B progressive reloader if I go that route.

For my reference, what do guys pay for .45ACP at the shows?

[Shaolin Crane]

Any of you guys go? My brother and I worked on his truck and other stuff today.

He's narrowing in on a choice of 9mm:
SA Xd 9mm 5"
Beretta 92FS
Beretta PX4 Storm

I've basically decided on a Dillon RL550B progressive reloader if I go that route.

For my reference, what do guys pay for .45ACP at the shows?

Cant go wrong with any of them, go for lowest price.
Dont forget the P6. Vanessa's gun, can be had for 400 or less, i got mine for 380, but they commonly go for 320-350

[Vettezuki]

I would buy from you Ben. I want to reload but it is expensive to get started. Hurry before the 28th I need rounds.

Were you serious or just being nice? Obviously other people buying ammo from us for small markups changes what we can do a lot. It can be a win win yo.

[Chuck]

You can get 500 rounds online from 180 to 210 if you look around. Granted these are definitely not top quality home defense rounds. But I would guess reloads to be in the ballpark.

[Vettezuki]

You can get 500 rounds online from 180 to 210 if you look around. Granted these are definitely not top quality home defense rounds. But I would guess reloads to be in the ballpark.

The Motorgen Armorery will not produce redneck reloads, but a quality hand loaded product. ;)

But $200~ for 500 rounds .45 ACP is a price point that could be worth my time and effort to get set up. .

[Shaolin Crane]

The Motorgen Armorery will not produce redneck reloads, but a quality hand loaded product. ;)

But $200~ for 500 rounds .45 ACP is a price point that could be worth my time and effort to get set up. .

Reloads typically go for that

[Chuck]

Who will be quality checking said reloads?

[Vettezuki]

Who will be quality checking said reloads?

I've been watching videos and reading quite a bit, the process doesn't look terribly complicated, just detail oriented, and there are many available tools for verifying correct case length, etc. My tendency is to overdue things if anything, so I won't cheap out on raw materials, tools, methods or procedures. Additionally, I'd be happy to provide a clip or two free for verifying to any potential buyer.

If you want to volunteer yourself to test some rounds once I'm confident I'm following the process correctly, that'd be delightful. :)

[Shaolin Crane]

I've been watching videos and reading quite a bit, the process doesn't look terribly complicated, just detail oriented, and there are many available tools for verifying correct case length, etc. My tendency is to overdue things if anything, so I won't cheap out on raw materials, tools, methods or procedures. Additionally, I'd be happy to provide a clip or two free for verifying to any potential buyer.

If you want to volunteer yourself to test some rounds once I'm confident I'm following the process correctly, that'd be delightful. :)
I'll test anything you throw my way

[Chuck]

If you want to volunteer yourself to test some rounds once I'm confident I'm following the process correctly, that'd be delightful. :)

Funny you knew exactly what I was getting at.:bigthumbsup:

[SeanPlunk]

:spam:

http://www.grafs.com/retail/catalog/product/productId/22371

$399 for a Hornady Lock N Load 5 station progressive press. Included with the deal is 500 bullets of various calibers (your choice from the company's list).

Basically the free bullets are worth around $100, so you pretty much get a high-end progressive press for around $300. All you'd need to add to this kit would be a lube kit, some calipers, dies and shellplates of your caliber(s), and a scale.

I've always sworn I didn't need a progressive press, but this is a tempting deal from a top notch company. :buffer:

From another board for you Ben.

[Vettezuki]

From another board for you Ben.

Thanks for the link.

[Gary Wells]

I wish that I had known about this thread before the gun show, but something turboBuick related came up and I could not go anyway.
I have reloaded on and off most of my lifetime from everything to a RCBS Rockchucker to my present Dillon 550B, and it is hard to go wrong on handloading. You gain more than just a savings of money, Some people, such as myself actually find it somewhat stress-relieving. Also , the confidence that you loaded it yourself, and that it was reloaded with quality in mind. You learn a better understanding of what one tenth of a grain of what powder will do what in what case and with what bullet weight.
May I offer up some suggestions about Crossroads of the West Gun Shows, especially what's happening currently, which may not change for a while.
Saturday, just as in car shows, is almost always the best day, and the earlier that you get there, the better.
Buying your ticket on-line, which I always hate to do, is the only way to go, as they will let in the people that bought tickets on line in first as compared to buying them there the day of the show.
Buy your ammo, primers, & powder first in their order of importance, then look around. Some ammo & some primers are getting virtually impossible to get. HTH
Also, the Costa Mesa show is always the best show to go to compared to any of the other locations.
The bigger & better the show, the more vendors that will be there and the better chance of finding & getting what you are looking for.

[Vettezuki]

I wish that I had known about this thread before the gun show, but something turboBuick related came up and I could not go anyway.
I have reloaded on and off most of my lifetime from everything to a RCBS Rockchucker to my present Dillon 550B, and it is hard to go wrong on handloading. You gain more than just a savings of money, Some people, such as myself actually find it somewhat stress-relieving. Also , the confidence that you loaded it yourself, and that it was reloaded with quality in mind. You learn a better understanding of what one tenth of a grain of what powder will do what in what case and with what bullet weight.
May I offer up some suggestions about Crossroads of the West Gun Shows, especially what's happening currently, which may not change for a while.
Saturday, just as in car shows, is almost always the best day, and the earlier that you get there, the better.
Buying your ticket on-line, which I always hate to do, is the only way to go, as they will let in the people that bought tickets on line in first as compared to buying them there the day of the show.
Buy your ammo, primers, & powder first in their order of importance, then look around. Some ammo & some primers are getting virtually impossible to get. HTH
Also, the Costa Mesa show is always the best show to go to compared to any of the other locations.
The bigger & better the show, the more vendors that will be there and the better chance of finding & getting what you are looking for.

I'd like to pick your brain more as the time comes. It's my intention, along with Chuck and my brother to go into small scale ammo manufacturing and sales. My initial research indicates margins are pretty good.

[Shaolin Crane]

Dillon is the way to go

[Vettezuki]

Dillon is the way to go

That's what I keep hearing. Though it seems the RCBS dies are of equal quality and lower cost.

[Gary Wells]

I'd like to pick your brain more as the time comes. It's my intention, along with Chuck and my brother to go into small scale ammo manufacturing and sales. My initial research indicates margins are pretty good.

Whatever I can do to help and / or advise, I will. However I am what's called a dedicated .45 auto shooter & loader. I load & shoot only .45 auto. My personal opinion on "going into small scale ammo manufacturing and sales" is probably a pretty bleak one. I would believe that competition is pretty fierce, however, I just started loading, shooting, and doing the gun shows again after about a 10 year vacation. I think that you will get a pretty good indication when you guys start loading for your friends and the forum members. Actually, that might really give you guys some ideas & some pit falls to avoid.
Liability comes to mind.

[Gary Wells]

I'd like to pick your brain more as the time comes. It's my intention, along with Chuck and my brother to go into small scale ammo manufacturing and sales. My initial research indicates margins are pretty good.

Whatever I can do to help and / or advise, I will. However I am what's called a dedicated .45 auto shooter & loader. I load & shoot only .45 auto. My personal opinion on "going into small scale ammo manufacturing and sales" is probably a pretty bleak one. I would believe that competition is pretty fierce, however, I just started going loading, shooting, and doing the gun shows after about a 10 year vacation. I think that you will get a pretty good indication when you guys start loading for your friends and the forum members. Actually, that might really give you guys some ideas & some pit falls to avoid.
Liability comes to mind.

[Shaolin Crane]

Whatever I can do to help and / or advise, I will. However I am what's called a dedicated .45 auto shooter & loader. I load & shoot only .45 auto. My personal opinion on "going into small scale ammo manufacturing and sales" is probably a pretty bleak one. I would believe that competition is pretty fierce, however, I just started going loading, shooting, and doing the gun shows after about a 10 year vacation. I think that you will get a pretty good indication when you guys start loading for your friends and the forum members. Actually, that might really give you guys some ideas & some pit falls to avoid.
Liability comes to mind.
What would you charge for 200rds of .45? i have the brass

[Vettezuki]

What would you charge for 200rds of .45? i have the brass

Do you have new brass or does it need to be tumbled and checked?

With new brass, somewhere close to $200. If you provide brass if it's new, subtract cost of brass. Off memory, say $175~ :huh:

Keeping in mind we're not running yet, but will be shortly. Will throw in some for testing. :drink:

[Shaolin Crane]

Do you have new brass or does it need to be tumbled and checked?

With new brass, somewhere close to $200. If you provide brass if it's new, subtract cost of brass. Off memory, say $175~ :huh:

Keeping in mind we're not running yet, but will be shortly. Will throw in some for testing. :drink:

I was talking to Gary, but i do have the brass, and i have the tumbler and cork and goodies to do it myself, im just lazy :D, but if you're gonna start loading i'll grab some from you too, i need something for the 28th

[Vettezuki]

I was talking to Gary, but i do have the brass, and i have the tumbler and cork and goodies to do it myself, im just lazy :D, but if you're gonna start loading i'll grab some from you too, i need something for the 28th

Oh sorry. And BTW, that price is for 500 rounds, not 200. Doh! I've got a tumbler. Is your brass used? WHat other goodies you got. Do you have a Dillon progressive? If so, open to a straight trade equipment for rounds made? Just throwing it out there.

[Gary Wells]

What would you charge for 200rds of .45? i have the brass
Shaolin:
I really hate to do this, and you will positively hate me when we are done with this conversation, but:
I only run my used brass through my reloader & dies.
My statement up above, "liability comes to mind". I really don't like to load for other people. When you start loading for other people, liability does or should come to mind.
I load & shoot only a very light pip-squeak target load, barely makes it to the target, not much more than squibb load.
I am running very short of bullets, just enough left for myself for my next loading batch, and then I have to take a look at what's available on the market for 200 grain cast lead SWC.
Now, in an emergency, I would load enough rounds for you to help you out of a bind if you have brand new R-P brass, and it would come only loaded with Winchester Large pistol primers, 4.0 grains of about 15 year old Hercules Bullseye powder, before they were bought out by Alliant, and 200 grain Western Nevada SWC. Also older than the hills, just like me.

When you are done cussing at me, here's the best that I can do for you.
For mainly target shooting, especially range loads, but loaded hot enough to have some desert shooting fun with buy these at your earliest convenience, which will probably the next Costa Mesa Crossroads of the West gun show towards the end of Aug
.45 auto: Remington Peters (R-P) brand new cases (not reloads) 200 grain semi wad cutter (SWC), $19.95 a box (always loaded in white boxes), 50 rounds per box, from:
Mi-Wall Corp., Grass Valley, Ca. (These are the people at the COTW gun shows that have a large blue with yellow lettering banner over their tables).
This is exceptionally high quality consistent ammo loaded only with the best of brand name components and loaded at a pretty good velocity that is accurate on the range and fun in the desert. I have shot their ammo (on & off) for over 25 years. It's that good.
Save your cases, cardboard boxes, & plastic box containers as they will come in handy for reloading, whether you do it or somebody else does it.
Sorry for the long post & HTH.

[Gary Wells]

BTW, the term "dedicated .45 shooter" does not mean that I am any good, I am not, it simply means that I only load & shoot .45 auto, because I am lazy, don't like changing loading heads & it simplifies things so much. Less possibility of error, too.

Where do you guys buy your brass (when needed), powder, & bullets at?

[Shaolin Crane]

Shaolin:
I really hate to do this, and you will positively hate me when we are done with this conversation, but:
I only run my used brass through my reloader & dies.
My statement up above, "liability comes to mind". I really don't like to load for other people. When you start loading for other people, liability does or should come to mind.
I load & shoot only a very light pip-squeak target load, barely makes it to the target, not much more than squibb load.
I am running very short of bullets, just enough left for myself for my next loading batch, and then I have to take a look at what's available on the market for 200 grain cast lead SWC.
Now, in an emergency, I would load enough rounds for you to help you out of a bind if you have brand new R-P brass, and it would come only loaded with Winchester Large pistol primers, 4.0 grains of about 15 year old Hercules Bullseye powder, before they were bought out by Alliant, and 200 grain Western Nevada SWC. Also older than the hills, just like me.

When you are done cussing at me, here's the best that I can do for you.
For mainly target shooting, especially range loads, but loaded hot enough to have some desert shooting fun with buy these at your earliest convenience, which will probably the next Costa Mesa Crossroads of the West gun show towards the end of Aug
.45 auto: Remington Peters (R-P) brand new cases (not reloads) 200 grain semi wad cutter (SWC), $19.95 a box (always loaded in white boxes), 50 rounds per box, from:
Mi-Wall Corp., Grass Valley, Ca. (These are the people at the COTW gun shows that have a large blue with yellow lettering banner over their tables).
This is exceptionally high quality consistent ammo loaded only with the best of brand name components and loaded at a pretty good velocity that is accurate on the range and fun in the desert. I have shot their ammo (on & off) for over 25 years. It's that good.
Save your cases, cardboard boxes, & plastic box containers as they will come in handy for reloading, whether you do it or somebody else does it.
Sorry for the long post & HTH.

I actually only shoot low grain loads anyhow, i have a very low weight main spring in my 1911, anything more than 185 grain the gun doesnt cycle properly and becomes notchy any i start eating guide rod bushings. But i can understand if you're nervous about selling ammo you've loaded to people you dont know.

[Shaolin Crane]

Oh sorry. And BTW, that price is for 500 rounds, not 200. Doh! I've got a tumbler. Is your brass used? WHat other goodies you got. Do you have a Dillon progressive? If so, open to a straight trade equipment for rounds made? Just throwing it out there.

yeah the brass is used, its all been cycled through my 1911. But i'm probably going to keep all my equipment, just in case. Just like the shop full of tools ive used once i like to have it there for when i really need it.

[Gary Wells]

I actually only shoot low grain loads anyhow, i have a very low weight main spring in my 1911, anything more than 185 grain the gun doesnt cycle properly and becomes notchy any i start eating guide rod bushings. But i can understand if you're nervous about selling ammo you've loaded to people you dont know.

Sorry, Shaolin, I am just a very finicky, crotchety, old man. I really am that particular what cases that I run though my Dillon & I am worse about what I run through my .45's. And I really do only run R-P brass through my Dillon also. Do though buy some of that Mi-Wall .45 ammo at 1st opportunity & affordability. That's where my cases came from.
Shaolin:
What type of gun & what's been done to it and by whom?
What weight of recoil spring? Mainspring is the spring back in the mainspring housing?

[Shaolin Crane]

Sorry, Shaolin, I am just a very finicky, crotchety, old man. I really am that particular what cases that I run though my Dillon & I am worse about what I run through my .45's. And I really do only run R-P brass through my Dillon also. Do though buy some of that Mi-Wall .45 ammo at 1st opportunity & affordability. That's where my cases came from.
Shaolin:
What type of gun & what's been done to it and by whom?
What weight of recoil spring? Mainspring is the spring back in the mainspring housing?

Milspec 1911
All work done by me, Sorry you're right i typed main spring but i meant recoil spring. i believe its a #12 or #13. Trigger work, upgraded extractor, polished feed ramp. All the needed stuff for a 1911. But i can understand if you dont want to sell me any, i just prefer when it comes to my money that i give it to people that will benefit from it that i know rather some nameless corporation. Like i rarely buy new ammo from stores, mostly from people on cal-guns

[Vettezuki]

yeah the brass is used, its all been cycled through my 1911. But i'm probably going to keep all my equipment, just in case. Just like the shop full of tools ive used once i like to have it there for when i really need it.

I totally understand, just throw'n it out there. Let me talk to Chuck and see what we're going to do soon. I'll keep you in the loop. When's your deadline for knowing if we can produce for you or not?

[Shaolin Crane]

I totally understand, just throw'n it out there. Let me talk to Chuck and see what we're going to do soon. I'll keep you in the loop. When's your deadline for knowing if we can produce for you or not?

Well i need ammo all the time, next soonest i'll need some is the 28th

[Vettezuki]

Gary,

We're thinking of getting a Dillon RL550B. Could we offer you dinner or other renumeration for an hour or so of watching us and checking our methods and procedures? You are fully indemnified and held harmless. :bigthumbsup: No is a perfectly acceptable answer for any reason, but since you're here I'd be silly not to ask to have an old hand look over our shoulder at least once.

From what I've been researching and learning the process is not complicated; you just need the right tools and procedures, then follow them attentively. But there's almost always some little skill or tip that might be useful in everything when observed by a knowledgeable person.

[Vettezuki]

Well i need ammo all the time, next soonest i'll need some is the 28th

Cool. Maybe we can establish a mutually beneficial and lasting relationship. :)

[Shaolin Crane]

Cool. Maybe we can establish a mutually beneficial and lasting relationship. :)

:inout: I have a lady Ben....




:rolling:

[Shaolin Crane]

Gary,

We're thinking of getting a Dillon RL550B. Could we offer you dinner or other renumeration for an hour or so of watching us and checking our methods and procedures? You are fully indemnified and held harmless. :bigthumbsup: No is a perfectly acceptable answer for any reason, but since you're here I'd be silly not to ask to have an old hand look over our shoulder at least once.

From what I've been researching and learning the process is not complicated; you just need the right tools and procedures, then follow them attentively. But there's almost always some little skill or tip that might be useful in everything when observed by a knowledgeable person.

My tip is, dont clean up while you're working, i understand its normal to want to pick up a bullet or primer while you're working. If you stop to pickup everything you drop every time you do you'll spend more time doing that then loading, especially when you're in the zone for loading. Well thats how i look at it when i load.

[Vettezuki]

:inout: I have a lady Ben....

http://motorgen.com/pic/data/1003/10-07-24_Prado_10.jpg

I'm not exclusive. I'll help you both. Well, you know what I mean. :smack:

[Chuck]

Lets do this!!! Maybe Shaolin can help us test our loads as I am new to shooting and am by no means a Pro.

[Shaolin Crane]

http://motorgen.com/pic/data/1003/10-07-24_Prado_10.jpg

I'm not exclusive. I'll help you both. Well, you know what I mean. :smack:

My lady just cringed something fierce. :lmfao:

[Vettezuki]

Lets do this!!! Maybe Shaolin can help us test our loads as I am new to shooting and am by no means a Pro.

Of course. The first samples are free. Then we start charging, just like crack!

[Shaolin Crane]

Lets do this!!! Maybe Shaolin can help us test our loads as I am new to shooting and am by no means a Pro.

I'm not a pro either, im actually a horrible shot :) but im always glad to help

[Shaolin Crane]

Of course. The first samples are free. Then we start charging, just like crack!

Now the question is, what kills more, crack or .45acp? :rolleyes:

[Vettezuki]

My lady just cringed something fierce. :lmfao:

I have that effect on people.

[Chuck]

Ben, I think your on to something lets put crack in the rounds that way they keep coming back!!!

[Shaolin Crane]

Ben, I think your on to something lets put crack in the rounds that way they keep coming back!!!

can you put depleted uranium and steel core in mine :pot_stir:

[Chuck]

We will defiantly look into it for you buddy. Customer comes first in Genunition (working title)!!!

[Gary Wells]

Milspec 1911
All work done by me, Sorry you're right i typed main spring but i meant recoil spring. i believe its a #12 or #13. Trigger work, upgraded extractor, polished feed ramp. All the needed stuff for a 1911. But i can understand if you dont want to sell me any, i just prefer when it comes to my money that i give it to people that will benefit from it that i know rather some nameless corporation. Like i rarely buy new ammo from stores, mostly from people on cal-guns

Shaolin:
It's not that I really don't want to sell you any, this just all cropped up at a bad time also. I have just enough lead bullets to load my brass cycle lot quantity and then that has to last me until I buy more bullets, and I am having a very hard time deciding on what company to go with, and whAt quantity.
And I do understand and appreciate your wanting to give the money to somebody that will benefit from it. And the big deal killer is that I will not run anything other than R-P cases through my Dillon.
Seriously, the ammo that I denoted up there in that other post is unbelievably exceptional ammo, and is well worth picking up by the case, and saving the cases.
I will probably buy a couple of cases of that if Mi-Wall has some loaded. They haven't had any of that particular load for about 5 months or so.

[Shaolin Crane]

Shaolin:
It's not that I really don't want to sell you any, this just all cropped up at a bad time also. I have just enough lead bullets to load my brass cycle lot quantity and then that has to last me until I buy more bullets, and I am having a very hard time deciding on what company to go with, and whAt quantity.
And I do understand and appreciate your wanting to give the money to somebody that will benefit from it. And the big deal killer is that I will not run anything other than R-P cases through my Dillon.
Seriously, the ammo that I denoted up there in that other post is unbelievably exceptional ammo, and is well worth picking up by the case, and saving the cases.
I will probably buy a couple of cases of that if Mi-Wall has some loaded. They haven't had any of that particular load for about 5 months or so.

Its fine, i completely understand

[Shaolin Crane]

We will defiantly look into it for you buddy. Customer comes first in Genunition (working title)!!!
Great! Never mind the 15 different DOJ and ATF laws against those types of ammo...

[Chuck]

Just keep on the DL. HAHAHAHA

[Chuck]

Wow its expensive but it looks like you can actually buy it and have it in small amounts.

[Shaolin Crane]

Wow its expensive but it looks like you can actually buy it and have it in small amounts.

Steel core yes, but uranium not so sure

[Chuck]

I like the idea for HD rounds but for the range I don't know.

[Chuck]

It may go through some walls though.:lmfao:

[Shaolin Crane]

yeah that may be the worst ammo for HD

[Chuck]

Maybe I want to shoot from the the bedroom to the front door with out actually getting out of bed.