It's about the money sucka

[BADDASSC6]

This is all about the money. My old Monte carlo and Mustang both felt like they had more than what was streetable with 350-430 rwhp. Both cars sucked. The vette is in the mid fives and very streetable. I can drive off in second or third off idle with no throttle.


Stay in school!:thumbs_up:

[94cobra69ss396]

I can drive off in second or third off idle with no throttle.

That's because of the low end torque, not the horsepower. Phil can do the same thing in his FJ40 and it only has 220-230hp at the flywheel.

[94cobra69ss396]

Oh, and it's not all about the money. I don't make a lot but I build my own and I have an 11 second dily driver and a 10 second fun car.

[Vettezuki]

Oh, and it's not all about the money. I don't make a lot but I build my own and I have an 11 second dily driver and a 10 second fun car.

The whole history of hot rodding is about middle class guys scrapping together what they can to have some fun. But, all other things being equal, mo money always opens doors to mo goodies.

I'm afraid the era of affordably tweaking out cars may be winding down. Parts themselves are considerably more expensive (I'm always stunned by what the old timers say they used to pay for stuff, and that's accounting for what people used to make), people have less discretionary income for a variety of reasons, and the next generation of cars (ODBIII) are going to be radically more difficult to do performance modifications on. Sure, there will always be big dollar kits and mods, but the "whack it with a hammer" days are closing I think.

[BADDASSC6]

That's because of the low end torque, not the horsepower. Phil can do the same thing in his FJ40 and it only has 220-230hp at the flywheel.

Really torque not horsepower? I had no idea. Wow, that is so interesting. Why is the sky blue? Awesome.


It is ALL ABOUT THE MONEY. The your cars are fast because of slicks and the effort you put into them. But we are talking horsepower not timeslips. There are big horsepower cars that are driven daily. <1000 is just not big power.

[94cobra69ss396]

Really torque not horsepower? I had no idea. Wow, that is so interesting. Why is the sky blue? Awesome.


It is ALL ABOUT THE MONEY. The your cars are fast because of slicks and the effort you put into them. But we are talking horsepower not timeslips. There are big horsepower cars that are driven daily. <1000 is just not big power.

Smart ass! So what you're saying is because you spent $15,000 to have someone build your engine to make 550rwhp that it is better than say Adam's Vette that probably makes the same amount or my buddies GTO that does make the same amount just because they did the work themselves for a 1/3 of what you spent? And the only reason my cars are fast is because of slicks? It doesn't have anything to do with the way I built the engines? Should I have paid someone else to do it? Should I also assume that means you don't think I can build an engine that can make 1000 horsepower? Well, I guess we'll see someday when I build another engine for the Chevelle.

[Vettezuki]

It is ALL ABOUT THE MONEY.

Ok.

The your cars are fast because of slicks and the effort you put into them.

Didn't you just say it was all about the money?

But we are talking horsepower not timeslips. There are big horsepower cars that are driven daily. <1000 is just not big power.

My guess is that the number of DD > 1000 HP cars is < 0.00001% of cars on the road. There are Veyrons, but those aren't DDs (even though you actually could). In fact, I've never seen a street driven >1000HP car at all. I guess there's some big turbo Supras, but they probably kinda suck as DDs. :huh: The only >1000HP cars I've seen are some PSCA cars, but those ain't DDs either.

[BADDASSC6]

Smart ass! So what you're saying is because you spent $15,000 to have someone build your engine to make 550rwhp that it is better than say Adam's Vette that probably makes the same amount or my buddies GTO that does make the same amount just because they did the work themselves for a 1/3 of what you spent? And the only reason my cars are fast is because of slicks? It doesn't have anything to do with the way I built the engines? Should I have paid someone else to do it? Should I also assume that means you don't think I can build an engine that can make 1000 horsepower? Well, I guess we'll see someday when I build another engine for the Chevelle.

Dude you state the obvious and then get worked up. Relax.

Those are nice motors that are built to make "ok" power for a very limited period of time. Road racing is more expensive. Shit has to handle heat soak and and extended use. Your friends motor is nice, but how long do you think it will last on a road course?

Yes, I spent a lot of money for a 550 rwhp motor. I spent a lot of money on a motor that will last years racing. Can the motor handle more power?? Yes for the same money I could have gone with higher compression and a much more aggressive cam. But that would be self defeating. I am limited by the power to weight limits on TTU. I'm there with a motor that will last.

Aren't you getting ready to start racing Ron????? Get ready it get's expensive with rules buddy.

[94cobra69ss396]

Carlos, racing the Chevelle isn't anything new for me, just racing in the PSCA is. I've been racing on this engine since 7/22/05. So I'm pretty sure I did an okay job of putting it together.

I built the current engine in the Cobra back in August of 2005 and it has over 70,000 miles on it. I did go through a set of Felpro head gaskets though and moved up to their MLS ones and I've had to fix little things here and there such as oil leaks and so forth but the long block is still the same. So I'd say I did an okay job on it as well.

Do I think both of my engines would survive in a road race car? Yes, I do. As you already know I run track days with the Cobra and the temp never goes above the R in NORMAL (about 190) and that's without an aftercooler for the supercharger. It's all about keeping the rpms under control. I guess we'll also find out if I can build an engine for road racing as well since that's what I'm doing with my '83 Camaro. It'll have a 355 that should make about 460 at the flywheel with 9:1 compression, a hydraulic flat tappet cam and cast iron heads.

[enkeivette]

Should I also assume that means you don't think I can build an engine that can make 1000 horsepower? Well, I guess we'll see someday when I build another engine for the Chevelle.

Talk is cheap, make it happen. :beer:

Those are nice motors that are built to make "ok" power for a very limited period of time.

Hope you're not talking about my motor.

I wouldn't compare it to your LS motor as far as reliability, but it's no Indy motor. It's also been alive since 2005 and it shows almost no wear internally. And "ok" power? ...You must not be talking about my motor.




Baddass, sub 1K hp is not big power? ...C'mon, be real. I know you're Mr. experienced baddass racer guy, but 500hp is big power, 700hp is really big power and 900hp is lunacy, I don't care who you are.

[BADDASSC6]

:pot_stir:Carlos, racing the Chevelle isn't anything new for me, just racing in the PSCA is. I've been racing on this engine since 7/22/05. So I'm pretty sure I did an okay job of putting it together.

Test and tune is racing, but not the same as an organzied series with classes. When everybody is running simliar setup you will see the difference that a professional engine builder will make. I had a great shop do my HCI package (lasted 3 years until the shortblock let go) and had one of the best suspension guys in SOCAL (me:asshole:) set up the car. http://www.nasa-tt.com/Socal_Standings/p2005_articleid/174 Third place TTU overall 2009 with only three completed events (lost a few when the rim broke, the clutch slave cylinder broke and finally the engine). Running R888s in a full slick class.

built the current engine in the Cobra back in August of 2005 and it has over 70,000 miles on it. I did go through a set of Felpro head gaskets though and moved up to their MLS ones and I've had to fix little things here and there such as oil leaks and so forth but the long block is still the same. So I'd say I did an okay job on it as well.

I agree you did a great job! Said it in my first post. Now as a reminder you did how many events in this car? What did you run at Cal Speedway 2:++ . Is this the car that just got walked by the EVO?

I think both of my engines would survive in a road race car? Yes, I do. As you already know I run track days with the Cobra and the temp never goes above the R in NORMAL (about 190) and that's without an aftercooler for the supercharger. It's all about keeping the rpms under control. I guess we'll also find out if I can build an engine for road racing as well since that's what I'm doing with my '83 Camaro. It'll have a 355 that should make about 460 at the flywheel with 9:1 compression, a hydraulic flat tappet cam and cast iron heads.

Build the Camaro and come play with me.

[BADDASSC6]

Hope you're not talking about my motor.

I wouldn't compare it to your LS motor as far as reliability, but it's no Indy motor. It's also been alive since 2005 and it shows almost no wear internally. And "ok" power? ...You must not be talking about my motor.


Baddass, sub 1K hp is not big power? ...C'mon, be real. I know you're Mr. experienced baddass racer guy, but 500hp is big power, 700hp is really big power and 900hp is lunacy, I don't care who you are.

Again, it's a nice motor. That's the first thing I said. As far as not talking about YOUR motor; can you remind me what kind of power it made? I'm going to start searching for that Enkievette dyno chart or 1/4 mile video, because I know this cannot be the old Enkievette (aka. Motorgen benchracing king). Wasn't there a replaced piston in that thing. How much racing did you get out of it before it failed?

<1K is big power, but this thread is about max streetable power. The devil is in the details (you'll learn this when you start your second semester of law school), Not what you can do on a budget. The fact is you can buy a 100% production car with >1khp. DOZENS of tuners can build streetable 1khp+ motors. There are all reliable and fucking costly.

Heffners
Hennasy
LG motorsports
EVOMs
EVO
GMG
Barbus
VDP
RPS
Titan
Norris
Shelby supercars
a bunch of Japanese shit I can't spell.

Here is a challenge. Ron I never said that you couldn't build a 1khp motor (even though you feel challenged somehow), but I bet you can't do it for less than $10K reliably.

[Vettezuki]

. . .Here is a challenge. Ron I never said that you couldn't build a 1khp motor (even though you feel challenged somehow), but I bet you can't do it for less than $10K reliably.

Now we're talking!

- Define your parameters of what's allowable (displacement, induction, NOS, etc.)

- Define your parameters of what would constitute reliable.

Th point of my original post was perhaps a bit too general. Here's my take.

A well sorted car in the low 500s to the wheels, think Vette, Cobra, etc. can still have all these parameters:
- affordable(ish)
- reliable
- comfortable
- somehow acceptable mpg
- usable, that is you can get on it from time to time

These are the things I would consider desirable in a regularly street driven car.

Every car I've seen beyond 600WHP blows one or more of these parameters out of the water. The Veyron is an awesome example of >1,000HP car that you could buy groceries in, take on long quiet drives, etc., but there's what, 200 of them in the world, and I bet not one of them is regularly driven on the road.

It seems to me most cars making north of 600 to the wheels are going to have things like:
- very touchy throttles, making a ton of power right off idle, not fun in traffic OR
- big turbo -> big lag -> power hits like a wave, not fun in traffic
- heavy clutches in the case of manuals to hold the power, or regularly fried lighter clutches


I should have been more specific. I get your point Carlos. Money no object, you could build a street car that would be massively powerful. Then I have to ask the question, what for? Unless you're in the sticks, you aren't going to get anywhere near that massive power, which is the other implied part of my question.

[Throttle Crazy]

Now we're talking!

- Define your parameters of what's allowable (displacement, induction, NOS, etc.)

- Define your parameters of what would constitute reliable.

Th point of my original post was perhaps a bit too general. Here's my take.

A well sorted car in the low 500s to the wheels, think Vette, Cobra, etc. can still have all these parameters:
- affordable(is
h)- reliable
- comfortable
- somehow acceptable mpg
- usable, that is you can get on it from time to time

These are the things I would consider desirable in a regularly street driven car.

Every car I've seen beyond 600WHP blows one or more of these parameters out of the water. The Veyron is an awesome example of >1,000HP car that you could buy groceries in, take on long quiet drives, etc., but there's what, 200 of them in the world, and I bet not one of them is regularly driven on the road.

It seems to me most cars making north of 600 to the wheels are going to have things like:
- very touchy throttles, making a ton of power right off idle, not fun in traffic OR
- big turbo -> big lag -> power hits like a wave, not fun in traffic
- heavy clutches in the case of manuals to hold the power, or regularly fried lighter clutches


I should have been more specific. I get your point Carlos. Money no object, you could build a street car that would be massively powerful. Then I have to ask the question, what for? Unless you're in the sticks, you aren't going to get anywhere near that massive power, which is the other implied part of my question.
Do diesel's count?

[Vettezuki]

Do diesel's count?

Sure.

[94cobra69ss396]

:pot_stir:

Test and tune is racing, but not the same as an organzied series with classes. When everybody is running simliar setup you will see the difference that a professional engine builder will make. I had a great shop do my HCI package (lasted 3 years until the shortblock let go) and had one of the best suspension guys in SOCAL (me:asshole:) set up the car. http://www.nasa-tt.com/Socal_Standings/p2005_articleid/174 Third place TTU overall 2009 with only three completed events (lost a few when the rim broke, the clutch slave cylinder broke and finally the engine). Running R888s in a full slick class.

I did run the Chevelle in a competitive series for a season at LACR before they closed along with racing it every Friday night at the TNT events. Do you really think that if I paid someone to build my engine it would be any better or more reliable than it is now? I've been racing with it for almost 5 years now and it still runs just as strong.

:I agree you did a great job! Said it in my first post. Now as a reminder you did how many events in this car? What did you run at Cal Speedway 2:++ . Is this the car that just got walked by the EVO?


I've run 5 events in the Cobra and have over 70,000 hard miles. Every freeway on ramp is a drag strip to me. How many miles did you have on your Vette before you blew the previous engine?

What does my time have to do with how I built my engine? That has to do with the way the car is set up, not how much horsepower I have. As proof, how much did you put to the wheels with your old combo? Wasn't it around 460rwhp? Well, I put down 471. Does it matter that my best time was a 2:02? I'm still running all out for a 25 minute session just like you do in your Vette. Actually, it's probably harder on my engine than it is yours since I pushing 12psi of non aftercooled boost with IAT of about 300* and your N/A. And what does the EVO (which didn't walk me) have to do with anything? Didn't I beat your Vette in my Cobra when we raced?


Build the Camaro and come play with me.

When I get the Camaro done I'll definately come to play.

[big_G]

It seems to me most cars making north of 600 to the wheels are going to have things like:
- very touchy throttles, making a ton of power right off idle, not fun in traffic OR
- big turbo -> big lag -> power hits like a wave, not fun in traffic
- heavy clutches in the case of manuals to hold the power, or regularly fried lighter clutches




Vettezuki...If you're ever around Austin, look me up. You have an open invitation to see how docile 625 RWHP can be.:beer::beer::beer:

[BADDASSC6]

Ron,
The reason that I brought up the cal speedway times is because my car is running much harder. Yes you have a supercharger, but hey the extra weight up front doesn't hurt does it? My car sticks. After the warm-up lap it rarely sees anything less than 4500 rpms. You don't have the suspension to work your car that hard. So yes, your cobra made more power than my old motor. But you weren't using it as evidence in your lap times.

I am so looking forward to the start of your road racing career. Give me a call and I will slow down so you can watch and learn.
CNJ

[Vettezuki]

Vettezuki...If you're ever around Austin, look me up. You have an open invitation to see how docile 625 RWHP can be.:beer::beer::beer:

I've always been interested in the city of Austin. Naturally I'll have to drive to make sure you know what you're talking about. :judge:

[94cobra69ss396]

Ron,
The reason that I brought up the cal speedway times is because my car is running much harder. Yes you have a supercharger, but hey the extra weight up front doesn't hurt does it? My car sticks. After the warm-up lap it rarely sees anything less than 4500 rpms. You don't have the suspension to work your car that hard. So yes, your cobra made more power than my old motor. But you weren't using it as evidence in your lap times.

I am so looking forward to the start of your road racing career. Give me a call and I will slow down so you can watch and learn.
CNJ

I'm not talking about the weight, I'm talking about the additional heat that the engine sees because of the supercharger. It would be like you running your Vette with the temp outside being over 200 degrees. My Cobra spends the whole time between 4000 and 6000. How is that any different?

Really, you think you are that much better of a driver than I am? What times did you run at CSW with your old Mustang?

[BADDASSC6]

I'm not talking about the weight, I'm talking about the additional heat that the engine sees because of the supercharger. It would be like you running your Vette with the temp outside being over 200 degrees. My Cobra spends the whole time between 4000 and 6000. How is that any different?

Really, you think you are that much better of a driver than I am? What times did you run at CSW with your old Mustang?

Never ran the mustang at CSW I grew up and went to college in AZ. I have been sub 2:00 in a stock base model C5. Yes I really do think I'm that much better of a driver than you. Not a diss , I have my process down. I can make adjustments and drop huge chunks of time. I video review and usually drop five seconds on my second visit. Its all about being critial about everything.

[big_G]

I've always been interested in the city of Austin. Naturally I'll have to drive to make sure you know what you're talking about. :judge:

Of course!

[94cobra69ss396]

Never ran the mustang at CSW I grew up and went to college in AZ. I have been sub 2:00 in a stock base model C5. Yes I really do think I'm that much better of a driver than you. Not a diss , I have my process down. I can make adjustments and drop huge chunks of time. I video review and usually drop five seconds on my second visit. Its all about being critial about everything.

I'll admit that you have more experience on a road course but I definately will not agree that you are a better driver. I haven't driven a Vette so I couldn't tell you what I could run with one. What was your time in said C5? What was done to it? I know it wasn't completely stock. What tires, springs, shocks, brakes, etc.? What was the alignment set to?

You drop 5 seconds on your second visit to a track. Well I've only run at Fontana once but I dropped over 3 seconds from my best in the first session to my best in the fourth session. I went from a best of 2:05.827 in the first to a 2:02.509 in the fourth. I also found out that my rear brakes were barely working which explains why I had to give it everything I had to slow down from 128 going into turn 3.

Third place TTU overall 2009 with only three completed events (lost a few when the rim broke, the clutch slave cylinder broke and finally the engine). Running R888s in a full slick class.

Only three races. That's still more than every one but 1,2 and 4th. I guess it's a good thing Darrin Griffin only ran 2 because going by his record he would have had 300 points if he'd run a third event. :pot_stir:

Free, Terry TTU 548 85 85 90 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 90 1150 1st 1150
Carter, Christopher TTU 57 90 90 90 90 90 85 90 85 90 100 100 100 1100 2nd 1100
Jorge, Carlos TTU 754 90 85 90 265 3rd 265
Griffin, Darrin TTU 981 80 75 85 240 4th 240
Pinholster, Michael TTU 04 100 100 200 5th 200
Meynet, J.C. TTU 33 90 100 190 6th 190
Hope, Andy TTU 1 90 90 180 7th 180
McNett, TC TTU 33 85 80 165 8th 165
Groth, Claus TTU 218 100 100 9th 100
Evanson, Tage TTU 17 100 100 9th 100
Salvaggio, Karen TTU 28 90 90 11th 90
Bowles, Gian TTU 47 75 75 12th 75

[Vettezuki]

I'll admit that you have more experience on a road course but I definately will not agree that you are a better driver. I haven't driven a Vette so I couldn't tell you what I could run with one. What was your time in said C5? What was done to it? I know it wasn't completely stock. What tires, springs, shocks, brakes, etc.? What was the alignment set to?

This is all speculation and guessing. I'd be curious to see you two run in spec cars, like Miatas, then switch cars, at a track neither of you have been to and see who averages what. With Carlos experience and training he should be faster and that'd be my guess, but the spread :huh: But unless we can do that kind of test, too many parameters that don't map well.

[enkeivette]

Again, it's a nice motor. That's the first thing I said. As far as not talking about YOUR motor; can you remind me what kind of power it made? I'm going to start searching for that Enkievette dyno chart or 1/4 mile video, because I know this cannot be the old Enkievette (aka. Motorgen benchracing king). Wasn't there a replaced piston in that thing. How much racing did you get out of it before it failed?

Hahaha. Yes, blew a piston. Problem was I hadn't yet tuned the carb. It went to prob 16:1 AFR at 6K rpm with 13lbs of boost. Now that I have an LM2 and I can actually tune what I've built, that will never happen again.

But it cost me $85 to replace that forged piston and $10 to recoat the MLS. Not a major catastrophy, just a PITA. And it had nothing to do with the quality of the build, just a lack of patience on my part. Shouldn't have put my foot into it till I knew what was going on.

Your shop could have built your expensive LS motor and then blew it up on the dyno if they were as impatient as I was. That was my bad, not my motors.




And it is a nice motor. I just got home from a drive, nailed it in 3rd. Damn that thing is fast. I don't know how you guys shift these high hp cars. I could shift at 5K one time and 7K the next, it revs up too quick, even in third.


(you'll learn this when you start your second semester of law school)

I really hope for your sake that was a joke.

[enkeivette]

Baddass, you keep crying about my dynoing or dragging my car. If I do it this summer, I think you need to take me around a road course in your C6. So I can see that you're not all talk too.

Yeah, that's the reason I want to go.

[enkeivette]

For the record I'm faster that all yall. Cuz I know how to double clutch and shift seven times in a drag race like Brain Walker did in Fast and the Furious.

[BADDASSC6]

I'll admit that you have more experience on a road course but I definately will not agree that you are a better driver. I haven't driven a Vette so I couldn't tell you what I could run with one. What was your time in said C5? What was done to it? I know it wasn't completely stock. What tires, springs, shocks, brakes, etc.? What was the alignment set to?

You drop 5 seconds on your second visit to a track. Well I've only run at Fontana once but I dropped over 3 seconds from my best in the first session to my best in the fourth session. I went from a best of 2:05.827 in the first to a 2:02.509 in the fourth. I also found out that my rear brakes were barely working which explains why I had to give it everything I had to slow down from 128 going into turn 3.



Only three races. That's still more than every one but 1,2 and 4th. I guess it's a good thing Darrin Griffin only ran 2 because going by his record he would have had 300 points if he'd run a third event. :pot_stir:

Free, Terry TTU 548 85 85 90 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 90 1150 1st 1150
Carter, Christopher TTU 57 90 90 90 90 90 85 90 85 90 100 100 100 1100 2nd 1100
Jorge, Carlos TTU 754 90 85 90 265 3rd 265
Griffin, Darrin TTU 981 80 75 85 240 4th 240
Pinholster, Michael TTU 04 100 100 200 5th 200
Meynet, J.C. TTU 33 90 100 190 6th 190
Hope, Andy TTU 1 90 90 180 7th 180
McNett, TC TTU 33 85 80 165 8th 165
Groth, Claus TTU 218 100 100 9th 100
Evanson, Tage TTU 17 100 100 9th 100
Salvaggio, Karen TTU 28 90 90 11th 90
Bowles, Gian TTU 47 75 75 12th 75

Darrin ran just as many racing as I did. In your eagernees to talk shit you mis counted. Also, Regardless of the number of races I ran I still never they were all top three finishes. Again in 2010 I'm hoping for another three races ( on Hoosiers)lets see where I finish.

[94cobra69ss396]

Darrin ran just as many racing as I did. In your eagernees to talk shit you mis counted. Also, Regardless of the number of races I ran I still never they were all top three finishes. Again in 2010 I'm hoping for another three races ( on Hoosiers)lets see where I finish.

Sorry, I meant Michael Pinholster. I'm not trying to say you're not a good driver but I do think I'm good and I don't think you are "that much better" than I am. I'm not trying to be conceited. I actually think that that both Phil and I are really good drivers and I think the reason is because of the different types of driving and vehicles we have driven like dirt bikes, street bikes, prerunners, 4 wheel drives, drag racing, road racing, high spirited street driving, etc.

You didn't answer my questions about the C5. What was done to it and what time did you run?

[big_G]

And it is a nice motor. I just got home from a drive, nailed it in 3rd. Damn that thing is fast. I don't know how you guys shift these high hp cars. I could shift at 5K one time and 7K the next, it revs up too quick, even in third.



You need to get the fuel system right and get a dyno run....You have a strong motor...and inquiring minds want to know...lol. You have a shift light?...just shift when you see the light. Now my winter's project will be beefing up the rear end, and going to an all electric 4L80 trans. I will program in the shift feel and rpm's.

[BADDASSC6]

Baddass, you keep crying about my dynoing or dragging my car. If I do it this summer, I think you need to take me around a road course in your C6. So I can see that you're not all talk too.

Yeah, that's the reason I want to go.

I'm sorry did you not see the videos? The post with the 2009 results? Ever talk to Bens Brother about the ride I gave him?
Sure, I will give you a ride, but I don't have to prove shit.

[BADDASSC6]

Sorry, I meant Michael Pinholster. I'm not trying to say you're not a good driver but I do think I'm good and I don't think you are "that much better" than I am. I'm not trying to be conceited. I actually think that that both Phil and I are really good drivers and I think the reason is because of the different types of driving and vehicles we have driven like dirt bikes, street bikes, prerunners, 4 wheel drives, drag racing, road racing, high spirited street driving, etc.

You didn't answer my questions about the C5. What was done to it and what time did you run?

1:59.5xx the c5 was a base model with replacement blisteins, a catback, and michellene pilot tires. Not the sport cup tires.

[enkeivette]

I'm sorry did you not see the videos? The post with the 2009 results? Ever talk to Bens Brother about the ride I gave him?
Sure, I will give you a ride, but I don't have to prove shit.


I have a disease called realtimeitis. I'm only capable of seeing things first hand.

But yeah, I just want a ride in your car. Who wouldn't?

We have so many race challenges on this forum we just need to get everyone together with their cars and duke it out. I wonder what it would cost to rent a track for a party. And then we can add rankings above our avatars based on times, so there is no question who is top dog. But whatever happens, I'm still the prettiest. No question.

[Vettezuki]

No question.

No question.

http://motorgen.com/pic/data/500/AdamScooter.jpg

[enkeivette]

No question.

http://motorgen.com/pic/data/500/AdamScooter.jpg

LOL!

[94cobra69ss396]

But whatever happens, I'm still the prettiest. No question.

Carlos, you're a Navy man so what do you think?

[Vettezuki]

Carlos, you're a Navy man so what do you think?

Must.Resist.Temptation. . .

[94cobra69ss396]

Must.Resist.Temptation. . .

As Eric would say "Navy, 100 men go in 50 couples come out". :lmfao:

[BADDASSC6]

That's pretty consistent with the other first semester law students that I've seen.:barf:

[Vettezuki]

Ok, I had to. This was the gentle version. I really could have gone for it with some of the pics Carlos has on his FB page, but at some point even I have to exercise taste. . .

http://motorgen.com/pic/data/500/AdamScooterAndCarlos.jpg

[BADDASSC6]

Well at least I'm not the one riding bitch.:rolleyes:

[enkeivette]

So if we were gay, you'd rather have me behind you? :shock:

[Vettezuki]

So if we were gay, you'd rather have me behind you? :shock:

:inout:

[BADDASSC6]

1) not gay
2) There is no right answer to this.

[Chuck]

:popcorn:

[enkeivette]

1) not gay
2) There is no right answer to this.

LOL. What was this thread about again? Ron and Carlos racing or something?

It's hard for me to remember things, with 2 years of schooling crammed all in to one semester.

[BlacknBoostn]

Wow. A grown up pissing contest. Nice.

I don't know where to begin so I'm not going to start. Hope you guys have the opportunity to do what Ben mentioned above and drive a new course in spec cars and then switch just to end the argument.

Wasn't this was about max streetable horsepower initially?

[BADDASSC6]

Wow. A grown up pissing contest. Nice.

I don't know where to begin so I'm not going to start. Hope you guys have the opportunity to do what Ben mentioned above and drive a new course in spec cars and then switch just to end the argument.

Wasn't this was about max streetable horsepower initially?

The other thread was about max streetable horsepower. This new thread is purely diarrhea of the keyboard.

[Vettezuki]

The other thread was about max streetable horsepower. This new thread is purely diarrhea of the keyboard.

You say that like it's bad. (Though that's why it got separated.)

[BRUTAL64]

:popcorn::popcorn:

[94cobra69ss396]

The other thread was about max streetable horsepower. This new thread is purely diarrhea of the keyboard.

Then Adam turned it into a gay thread like usual.

[Chuck]

Lets settle this on the track.:pot_stir: The straight way, not the :gay: way. Not that there is anything wrong with that. :leaving:

[Leedom]

Lets settle this on the track.:pot_stir: The straight way, not the :gay: way. Not that there is anything wrong with that. :leaving:

Homophobe!:rolling:

[BADDASSC6]

July 17 and 18th California Speedway! My car is faster than Ron's so just camparing straight lap times is unfair (kinda like drag racing a car on street tires when your running ET streets).

So I will wager that I can run a best time that is at least 10 seconds faster than Ron's fastest time in his mustang.:motorsmile:

-Or-

I can ride shotgun in Ron's car and point out all his errors and basicly garutee that he will run 1:59.00 or faster.:bigthumbsup:

-Or-

We can just each give some ride and let the forum members decide who is the best driver.

[94cobra69ss396]

July 17 and 18th California Speedway! My car is faster than Ron's so just camparing straight lap times is unfair (kinda like drag racing a car on street tires when your running ET streets).

So I will wager that I can run a best time that is at least 10 seconds faster than Ron's fastest time in his mustang.:motorsmile:

-Or-

I can ride shotgun in Ron's car and point out all his errors and basicly garutee that he will run 1:59.00 or faster.:bigthumbsup:

-Or-

We can just each give some ride and let the forum members decide who is the best driver.

I would love to but I just don't have the cash to do it yet. However, I would love to have a ride in the Vette.

[Chuck]

How much is it? Id throw a 20 spot on it. Lets pass around the motorgen offering plate. :pot_stir:

[Chuck]

Homophobe!:rolling:

I said not that there is anything wrong with that. :barf:

[94cobra69ss396]

How much is it? Id throw a 20 spot on it. Lets pass around the motorgen offering plate. :pot_stir:

It would cost me about $150 for fuel and then what ever the entry fee is. Last time I ran at Fontana the entry fee was $165 with my discount.

[BADDASSC6]

I will definitely be running. So show up and I will give rides. The first seesion and the last session are the best for giving rides. The middle two sessions I will be trying to set my fast lap. Sunday will most likely be wide open the whole time.

I'm going to be running hoosiers (i hope) so there may be some set up delays.
CNJ

[BlacknBoostn]

Lol... I think it'd be awesome to do a ride along haha

[Leedom]

I am up for a passenger seat lap!

[enkeivette]

Then Adam turned it into a gay thread like usual.

I believe it was Ben who spent time on PAINT jerking off to pics of me and Carlos.

[enkeivette]

We can just each give some ride and let the forum members decide who is the best driver.

I vote for this way. I'll judge. I hate both of you so I'm impartial. :D

[BADDASSC6]

Lol... I think it'd be awesome to do a ride along haha

You should check it out. They have three really fast SRT-4s in the socal region. The National TT director is in our region and he is also the TTB notional champion in a SRT-4.

[Chuck]

So we need 14 more people to throw in a 20 spot. I think we could swing it.

[BlacknBoostn]

You should check it out. They have three really fast SRT-4s in the socal region. The National TT director is in our region and he is also the TTB notional champion in a SRT-4.

Is doug one of them? 1lapsrt? Or a blue one with oz rims that "looks" stockish? Both are pushing a good 500ish wheel.

[BADDASSC6]

No Doug that I know. There is Mike Johnson (grey) and Dave (yellow) that are both around 450-500 hp that look kinda stock. Then greg the TT director that is full on race car.

[BlacknBoostn]

the guys I'm thinking of must be on east coast or something then...