What's your favorite truck?

[enkeivette]

My vote.

2nd gen Ford Ranger, 2WD, MODIFIED.

http://www.bakermotorsports.net/images/shop/past_projects/ranger_93_pre/pic_ranger_93_pre.jpg

[SeanPlunk]

Blue Ford Raptor with a heads and cam BOSS 6.2L.

http://angrychinesedriver.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/ford_f150_raptor_svt_2009.jpg

[BRUTAL64]

Blue Ford Raptor with a heads and cam BOSS 6.2L.

http://angrychinesedriver.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/ford_f150_raptor_svt_2009.jpg

Second that, except white in color. Well, maybe Black...:inout:

[Leedom]

Blue Ford Raptor with a heads and cam BOSS 6.2L.

http://angrychinesedriver.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/ford_f150_raptor_svt_2009.jpg

Me too. Without graphics.

[Leedom]

My vote.

2nd gen Ford Ranger, 2WD, MODIFIED.

http://www.bakermotorsports.net/images/shop/past_projects/ranger_93_pre/pic_ranger_93_pre.jpg

You realize that is not a 2nd Gen right (our generation has seen at least 3, that is the 2 gen suspension though)? there was a gen pretty much through the 80' and early 90's, another 93 to 97 (one of the shortest gens that I can remember, and the gen of my first automobile), 99-current pretty much. Ranger is do for a new gen if you ask me. The ranger nameplate was a trim level on f-150s before it became its own truck.

More info:
http://www.therangerstation.com/resources/RangerHistory.htm

[Vettezuki]

I was gonna say something predictable like a Cyclone. But then I remembered the truck I just about literally grew up in. It was my dad's work truck.

Jeep J20

http://memimage.cardomain.com/ride_images/2/2803/1641/19505820005_large.jpg

Later when I was about 16 I got it for a while. It was affectionately known as "The Antichrist" for it's, mmm, temperamental behavior.

[SoCalC55]

Camburg's Edge was far more bad ass [but maybe im just bias]

http://images.google.com/url?source=imgres&ct=tbn&q=http://www.titantalk.com/forums/attachments/titan-suspension/60644d1209820963-4x2-lift-100484_a_camburg-edge.jpg&usg=AFQjCNGKlMTkAcpI4gF41tu1lAvjuog9IA

[SeanPlunk]

http://radio.weblogs.com/0105910/images/t282b.jpg

[Leedom]

Camburg's Edge was far more bad ass [but maybe im just bias]

http://images.google.com/url?source=imgres&ct=tbn&q=http://www.titantalk.com/forums/attachments/titan-suspension/60644d1209820963-4x2-lift-100484_a_camburg-edge.jpg&usg=AFQjCNGKlMTkAcpI4gF41tu1lAvjuog9IA

They make some bada$$ $hit!!!

[enkeivette]

Leedom and SoCal55, you guys are both stupid.

I don't care if a 97 is considered a different model, and I don't care if an Edge is a different model. They only changed the front grill and sidemarkers! I won't grant them a 3rd gen until they actually change the body style!

They put a different bumper on the Edge and a cowl in the hood and I'm supposed to consider it a different model? No.

I just called a 99 Viper a 1st gen in the other thread, are you going to cry about that too because they added a hatchback window since the original?

Going by this logic Corvettes would be on the 12th generation.

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:fsceZ2ubExQZLM:http://file.kbb.com/kbb/vehicleimage/houseseo/337x250/1996/1997-ford-ranger-frontside_xpftrgr961.jpg = http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:kj6t2hILbOJADM:http://vlane.com/img/chrome/8164.jpg = http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:6yna-2-gILl_yM:http://www.dragtimes.com/images/10085-2002-Ford-Ranger.jpg

[SeanPlunk]

Leedom and SoCal55, you guys are both stupid.

I don't care if a 97 is considered a different model, and I don't care if an Edge is a different model. They only changed the front grill and sidemarkers! I won't grant them a 3rd gen until they actually change the body style!

They put a different bumper on the Edge and a cowl in the hood and I'm supposed to consider it a different model? No.

I just called a 99 Viper a 1st gen in the other thread, are you going to cry about that too because they added a hatchback window since the original?

Going by this logic Corvettes would be on the 12th generation.

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:fsceZ2ubExQZLM:http://file.kbb.com/kbb/vehicleimage/houseseo/337x250/1996/1997-ford-ranger-frontside_xpftrgr961.jpg = http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:kj6t2hILbOJADM:http://vlane.com/img/chrome/8164.jpg = http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:6yna-2-gILl_yM:http://www.dragtimes.com/images/10085-2002-Ford-Ranger.jpg

I agree to some extent, but a 99 Viper is indeed a 2nd gen.

[enkeivette]

I agree to some extent, but a 99 Viper is indeed a 2nd gen.

Cry?

[SeanPlunk]

Cry?

No, just stating facts. The 2nd gen Viper was more than just the introduction of the GTS ;)

[enkeivette]

I agree to some extent, but a 99 Viper is indeed a 2nd gen.

So then Sean, you would have to agree.

6th gen Corvette (1975)
http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:du7haSadidg5wM:http://corvettecoupe.com/pictures/75corvette5573-3.jpg
7th gen Corvette (1978)
http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:aPW9_uj4aWdVlM:http://www.american-musclecars.co.uk/users/www.american-musclecars.co.uk/upload/78_corvette.jpg

[SeanPlunk]

So then Sean, you would have to agree.

6th gen Corvette (1975)
http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:du7haSadidg5wM:http://corvettecoupe.com/pictures/75corvette5573-3.jpg
7th gen Corvette (1978)
http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:aPW9_uj4aWdVlM:http://www.american-musclecars.co.uk/users/www.american-musclecars.co.uk/upload/78_corvette.jpg

Although in automotive terms a "generation" is fairly subjective, I believe that the differences in appearance, drivetrain, and overall packaging are enough to distinguish the 96-02 Viper as a 2nd Gen. One could make the same argument for the Vette, but I honestly don't know enough about the differences in the models you show to give any kind of opinion.

[enkeivette]

Although in automotive terms a "generation" is fairly subjective, I believe that the differences in appearance, drivetrain, and overall packaging are enough to distinguish the 96-02 Viper as a 2nd Gen. One could make the same argument for the Vette, but I honestly don't know enough about the differences in the models you show to give any kind of opinion.

69 Corvette, chrome bumpers. 435hp 427ci, 4 speed manual. Factory sidepipes. 3rd generation.

http://firsttraderegistry.com/forsale/8_06/69corvette435/1969%20corvette%20convt%20435%20hp%20065.jpg

82 Corvette, removable urethane bumpers, very different styles. Makes the car about a foot longer. 205hp 350ci EFI best available, 4 speed automatic overdrive only. No side pipes available. Different front clip, different rear clip, different hood, different doors with aluminum crash hardware. Glass rear window, no convertibles available. Different seats and interior completely. Iron diff changed to aluminum diff and crossmember. And I don't think 82s came with rallye wheels. 3rd generation.

http://www.aa1car.com/blog/82_corvette.jpg

[enkeivette]

Also the frame was stronger in 78 on, and the fiberglass tunnel was replaced with a steel tunnel.

Different body, different frame, different drivetrain. But since the body had the same lines around the fenders, GM considered it the same generation.

Don't even get me started on the 20th generation Evo. :leaving:

[Vettezuki]

. . different frame. . .

Uh, what? AFAIK, the frame is essentially the same 63-82.

[enkeivette]

Uh, what? AFAIK, the frame is essentially the same 63-82.

Essentially. But there's a reason the 74 and earlier vettes had problems with the frame cracking with high enough hp. Do a search on CF. 78 and 79 were actually the strongest C3s available and the heaviest. Strongest frame, strongest diff.

You could drop any C3 body on any C3 frame, without the frame extensions and crash harware of the later C3s, but yes, frames were different. I'm sure Glenn or Bird could explain this better than I can.

[BRIAN]

Move out the way!!!


http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/8674/onthemoves.jpg (http://img37.imageshack.us/i/onthemoves.jpg/)

[enkeivette]

Those Tundras got BIG.

Ben, GKULL is actually the frame expert as I remember on CF if you really want some info.

[Vettezuki]

Essentially. But there's a reason the 74 and earlier vettes had problems with the frame cracking with high enough hp. Do a search on CF. 78 and 79 were actually the strongest C3s available and the heaviest. Strongest frame, strongest diff.

You could drop any C3 body on any C3 frame, without the frame extensions and crash harware of the later C3s, but yes, frames were different. I'm sure Glenn or Bird could explain this better than I can.

I knew they had different diffs, but didn't know there was much difference in any of the frames. I'll ask Glenn tonight. FWIW, I like my 3,100lbs full wet weight C3. :)

[enkeivette]

I knew they had different diffs, but didn't know there was much difference in any of the frames. I'll ask Glenn tonight. FWIW, I like my 3,100lbs full wet weight C3. :)

GKULL

[BRUTAL64]

Uh, what? AFAIK, the frame is essentially the same 63-82.

Yep, only minor differences. Most of those were improvements. Frame reinforcements and the like.....the biggest differences is the front and rear frame areas for the rubber noses.:)

[Damian]

Syclone.

[Leedom]

Leedom and SoCal55, you guys are both stupid.

I don't care if a 97 is considered a different model, and I don't care if an Edge is a different model. They only changed the front grill and sidemarkers! I won't grant them a 3rd gen until they actually change the body style!

They put a different bumper on the Edge and a cowl in the hood and I'm supposed to consider it a different model? No.

I just called a 99 Viper a 1st gen in the other thread, are you going to cry about that too because they added a hatchback window since the original?

Going by this logic Corvettes would be on the 12th generation.

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:fsceZ2ubExQZLM:http://file.kbb.com/kbb/vehicleimage/houseseo/337x250/1996/1997-ford-ranger-frontside_xpftrgr961.jpg = http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:kj6t2hILbOJADM:http://vlane.com/img/chrome/8164.jpg = http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:6yna-2-gILl_yM:http://www.dragtimes.com/images/10085-2002-Ford-Ranger.jpg

Sorry if I considered a front end change and completely new suspension from the i-beam to the a-arm a new Gen. I am an idiot. You are all knowing. :bow:

Based on your logic, does Sean and my gen mustang get lumped into the 93-98 since all they really did was sharpen some lines. Other than that they look pretty similar. same profile.
99-04
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/25/1999-04_Ford_Mustang_coupe.jpg/800px-1999-04_Ford_Mustang_coupe.jpg
94-98
http://www.mustangevolution.com/mustang-pictures/media/2613/large/1_1996FordMustangGT.jpg

[jedhead]

What I used to own. 1976 Ford F150 4X4 with the short wide bed. 428SCJ instead of the 360 (last year for FE block trucks) with 4 speed manual, two speed transfer case. Twin shocks in the front. Torsen equipped Dana 44 and Detroit locker equipped 9" rear. I never got stuck in that truck. It would go everywhere.

Bob

[enkeivette]

Sorry if I considered a front end change and completely new suspension from the i-beam to the a-arm a new Gen. I am an idiot. You are all knowing. :bow:

Based on your logic, does Sean and my gen mustang get lumped into the 93-98 since all they really did was sharpen some lines. Other than that they look pretty similar. same profile.
99-04
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/25/1999-04_Ford_Mustang_coupe.jpg/800px-1999-04_Ford_Mustang_coupe.jpg
94-98
http://www.mustangevolution.com/mustang-pictures/media/2613/large/1_1996FordMustangGT.jpg

Sharpen some lines? :sm_laughing: Really? Did you not notice that every single body panel is different on those two different generations? Find one external body panel that would swap over, just one. Now answer me this, how is it that I was able to install 98 - 03 tail lights in my friends 94 Ranger with only some custom wiring? And tell me you'd notice a difference if we took an entire Ranger bed (fenders and tailgate) from a newer truck and dropped it on an 93. And tell me why 93-97 Rangers run the same one piece flared front end that the later trucks do. (See below) I'd like to see you transfer the front end of a 94 Mustang onto your car. If you can do this, I will give you my car.

But yes, I'm glad you acknowledge that you and Sean have the same gen Mustang. Even though Sean has a different hood, different front bumper, (a complete front end change, more than they did to the Ranger) a different rear bumper and a different drivetrain. Oh yeah, and a different rear suspension setup. And probably a bunch of other stuff that I don't know about.

Yes I know about the I beams, and actually, unless you own your own fab shop and can move the motor back, move the frame in, so that you can move the a-arms in far enough and make them long enough for decent travel, I beams are the way to go. Which would be... 2nd gen right? :rolleyes:

http://www.mcneilracinginc.com/off-road-fiberglass/Ford/Ranger/04-07/one-piece-front-end/pic_main.jpg

[Leedom]

And tell me why 93-97 Rangers run the same one piece flared front end that the later trucks do. (See below) I'd like to see you transfer the front end of a 94 Mustang onto your car. If you can do this, I will give you my car.

Guess what, you can also get a flared fiberglass F-150 front end (http://www.fiberwerx.com/html/ford/ranger/1piece.html) for your ranger as well and it looks like it was always part of the look of the truck when you use custom parts to prove your point. you can convert your 87 ranger to the front end of a 94 ranger with a conversion clip front end too. I for sure could blend a customer made front end of a 94 mustang to the front of my 03 mustang.

Yes I know about the I beams, and actually, unless you own your own fab shop and can move the motor back, move the frame in, so that you can move the a-arms in far enough and make them long enough for decent travel, I beams are the way to go. Which would be... 2nd gen right? :rolleyes:

That statement is a matter of opionion. There are pros and cons to both suspensions, but if I had my choice I would go a-arm. Granted it would be a widened a-arm to get more travel but still an a-arm (can get up to 17" of travel without changing motor location or frame). The camber change is more suitable for stability in my mind. The i-beam are a tough suspension though and easy to get A LOT of travel out of (16"-20"+). I would be happy with either out in the dirt. And yes, 2nd gen ranger in my eyes is the I beam from 93-97

[94cobra69ss396]

An A-arm suspension is superior to the I-beam in terms of handling. However, you are limited to just how much travel (14-15 inches) you can get with the stock mounting locations without overly widening the front end. Now on the I-beam suspension you can get much more with the stock I-beam mounting locations but you do have to move the radius arm mounting locations back and use extended radius arms. But you can get 20+ inches of travel fairly easy. In terms of cost the I-beam suspension wins hands down. If I were to choose a truck to build as a prerunner it would definately be a pre '76 F150 with the I-beams.

[enkeivette]

Leedom, I don't believe you really think the 97s and earlier look different enough from the 98s and newer. I think you were just making a distinction induced by your knowledge and now you feel the need to stand by it.

A-arms, better geometry, yeah. You know it's not an I-beam truck when it doesn't have 10 degrees of negative camber after backing up. I-beams, better for the guy who can't fab who wants a strong setup without breaking the bank, if you want real travel.

...Now I want a Ranger. Damn.

[Leedom]

Leedom, I don't believe you really think the 97s and earlier look different enough from the 98s and newer. I think you were just making a distinction induced by your knowledge and now you feel the need to stand by it.

I am not arguing that there is a total difference in the pre 98 and post 98 body style but for me the a-arm suspension classifies it differently in my mind, whether it is a new gen or not I do not care.

[Throttle Crazy]

http://www.motorgen.com/pic/data/500/fj40.jpg

I already own mine. I like the 1968 to 1979 FJ40 Land Cruiser. I also like the 1972 to 1992 full size blazer/jimmy.

http://www.motorgen.com/pic/data/500/medium/Silverado12621.jpg

http://www.motorgen.com/pic/data/500/medium/P1010010.JPG

[enkeivette]

I am not arguing that there is a total difference in the pre 98 and post 98 body style but for me the a-arm suspension classifies it differently in my mind, whether it is a new gen or not I do not care.

Does Sean's IRS make his a different model than yours?

[Leedom]

Does Sean's IRS make his a different model than yours?

Sean's is a different model! I have never argued that. Since when have we talked about the difference in models. Just differences in years. I really do not care if it is a different gen or not. I classify the 98 and newer differently then the 93-97. that is it. if you said to someone who knows anything about Rangers you wanted a 2nd gen they would ask i-beams or a-arms (since you are showing an off-road version I would assume you would be talking with someone who also likes off roading in this case). That is a big difference and it also happens to be the difference I see. Also I really doubt that they would ask what model for the most part unless they were talking about an edge because there are differences in that suspension compared to the rest, but that is a minor part about this argument.

[94cobra69ss396]

Here's my favorite truck!

http://www.jumplive.com/blogger/pano_terribleherbst.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GX-bkmQPchc

[Leedom]

Here's my favorite truck!

http://www.jumplive.com/blogger/pano_terribleherbst.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GX-bkmQPchc

If we can have customer trucks a Trophy truck would definitely be my choice

[Throttle Crazy]

Here's my favorite truck!

http://www.jumplive.com/blogger/pano_terribleherbst.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GX-bkmQPchc

I am not sure we can consider this a truck anymore. I think once it has a full tubeular chassis it is a Truggy!! Still completely Bad Ass for sure. Is street legal a requirement?

[BRUTAL64]

Here's my favorite truck!

http://www.jumplive.com/blogger/pano_terribleherbst.jpg

]

Their shop used to be across the street from my shop. They had quite the collection of race trucks.

[gsteichen]

:bigthumbsup:http://www.motorgen.com/pic/data/500/fj40.jpg

I already own mine. I like the 1968 to 1979 FJ40 Land Cruiser. I also like the 1972 to 1992 full size blazer/jimmy.

http://www.motorgen.com/pic/data/500/medium/Silverado12621.jpg

http://www.motorgen.com/pic/data/500/medium/P1010010.JPG
:bigthumbsup: Love the FJ40, I see one parked along my route home from the office every day. Someday I'll get a wild hair and leave an offer on his windshield!

[Throttle Crazy]

I'll take one of these also! King of the Hammers rig. Bad Ass desert runner and also geared down 4x4 for slow rock crawling.

http://spinnin4s.50.forumer.com/download/file.php?id=168&t=1

http://spinnin4s.50.forumer.com/download/file.php?id=169

[94cobra69ss396]

I'll take one of these also! King of the Hammers rig. Bad Ass desert runner and also geared down 4x4 for slow rock crawling.

http://spinnin4s.50.forumer.com/download/file.php?id=168&t=1

http://spinnin4s.50.forumer.com/download/file.php?id=169

I want one of those too along with my truggy.

[Leedom]

I'll take one of these also! King of the Hammers rig. Bad Ass desert runner and also geared down 4x4 for slow rock crawling.

http://spinnin4s.50.forumer.com/download/file.php?id=168&t=1

http://spinnin4s.50.forumer.com/download/file.php?id=169

King of the Hammers is an awesome race. I like it because you really have to have a well balanced rig to run that thing. I would like one too please!

[BlacknBoostn]

I'll take one of these also! King of the Hammers rig. Bad Ass desert runner and also geared down 4x4 for slow rock crawling.

http://spinnin4s.50.forumer.com/download/file.php?id=168&t=1

http://spinnin4s.50.forumer.com/download/file.php?id=169

:censored:

you need some steel balls for that ish! looks fun!!!

[enkeivette]

Sean's is a different model! I have never argued that. Since when have we talked about the difference in models. Just differences in years. I really do not care if it is a different gen or not. I classify the 98 and newer differently then the 93-97. that is it. if you said to someone who knows anything about Rangers you wanted a 2nd gen they would ask i-beams or a-arms (since you are showing an off-road version I would assume you would be talking with someone who also likes off roading in this case). That is a big difference and it also happens to be the difference I see. Also I really doubt that they would ask what model for the most part unless they were talking about an edge because there are differences in that suspension compared to the rest, but that is a minor part about this argument.

Ok, excuse me, generation, not model. Is Sean's a different generation of Mustang than yours because it has different suspension? I mean, if all it takes is a suspension change to change the model generation, then Sean's is also a different generation of Mustang right? :)

And are the 4x4 rangers with torsion bars instead of coil springs a different generation too?

[Leedom]

Ok, excuse me, generation, not model. Is Sean's a different generation of Mustang than yours because it has different suspension? I mean, if all it takes is a suspension change to change the model generation, then Sean's is also a different generation of Mustang right? :)

And are the 4x4 rangers with torsion bars instead of coil springs a different generation too?

Nope I would not argue that Sean's is a different generation. True he has an independent rear but nobody would look at his car and my car and think they are different body styles/generations if they knew anything about mustangs. Just the same way that anyone who knew anything about rangers would not think that the 99 edge is a different generation than a 99 2WD ranger. 4x4 is kind of like the argument about the differences in Cobra to Mach 1 to GT. Most people know that a 4x4 suspension is different in some way than a 2WD. Since you are not going to let this go I will just say this. The 93-97 may not be a different generation than a 98 to current but there I will not stop arguing that the 98 to current are in a different classification in my eyes then a 93-97.

Take these examples. If said said I wanted a 2nd gen ranger then I would ask i-beam or a-arm because that is a BIG difference. Much the same way if someone said I want a Cobra I would ask if you wanted a Terminator (03-04) or another year Cobra for example, because there is a big difference. There would need to be clarification of the vague statements.

[enkeivette]

I just don't like the fact that I've driven a long travel I beam Ranger and an A -arm Ranger, I've worked on both of them doing several serious projects on my friends A -Arm Ranger, and I could see a 98 driving down the freeway and say to my friend "Hey, check out that 2nd gen" and he could reply, "No moron, that's a 3rd gen, don't you know anything about Rangers?"

If you can't tell the difference by looking at the body from most angles, it's stupid to grant the model a different generation just because of a suspension change. Because as you stated, different sub-models within a model have different suspension setups. No one refers to a Sean's Mustang as a different generation than your Mach beause of the IRS. And no one, refers to a torsion bar Ranger as a different generation than an coil A -arm Ranger, so why refer to an A -arm Ranger as a different model than an I -beam Ranger?

In closing, when my buddy and I go to the junk yard looking for a tailgate for his 2003 ('3rd gen') Ranger, we'll be looking for a 2nd gen truck (93-03). :p ;)

[Leedom]

I just don't like the fact that I've driven a long travel I beam Ranger and an A -arm Ranger, I've worked on both of them doing several serious projects on my friends A -Arm Ranger, and I could see a 98 driving down the freeway and say to my friend "Hey, check out that 2nd gen" and he could reply, "No moron, that's a 3rd gen, don't you know anything about Rangers?"

If you can't tell the difference by looking at the body from most angles, it's stupid to grant the model a different generation just because of a suspension change. Because as you stated, different sub-models within a model have different suspension setups. No one refers to a Sean's Mustang as a different generation than your Mach beause of the IRS. And no one, refers to a torsion bar Ranger as a different generation than an coil A -arm Ranger, so why refer to an A -arm Ranger as a different model than an I -beam Ranger?

In closing, when my buddy and I go to the junk yard looking for a tailgate for his 2003 ('3rd gen') Ranger, we'll be looking for a 2nd gen truck (93-03). :p ;)

Adam, I dropped arguing whether it is a 2nd or 3rd gen a while ago. I classify the year set differently. There is a different classification between I-Beam and A-Arm in my eyes. That is it. That is all I am saying anymore.
If your buddy is looking for a replacement A-Arm go ahead and look for anything from the 2nd gen to replace that. That would include anything 93-2009 right and it would bolt right up according to your logic.

[enkeivette]

Adam, I dropped arguing whether it is a 2nd or 3rd gen a while ago. I classify the year set differently. There is a different classification between I-Beam and A-Arm in my eyes. That is it. That is all I am saying anymore.
If your buddy is looking for a replacement A-Arm go ahead and look for anything from the 2nd gen to replace that. That would include anything 93-2009 right and it would bolt right up according to your logic.

No, that's not my logic, it's yours. I don't consider a suspension change a generation change. If I needed to replace the rear end/ suspension in my 3rd gen Vette, I couldn't use parts from Ben's 3rd gen Vette, but... it's still a 3rd gen Vette.

And no you can't use 97 and earlier front suspension parts on an A-arm ranger '3rd gen' Ranger, but then again you can't use parts from a 4wd OR 2wd torsion bar '3rd gen' Ranger either. So that's a moot point.

[Vettezuki]

I got a crazy idea. What does FORD consider to be a 2nd vs. 3rd gen Ranger?

The Japanese breakdown by generation and series. For example, our project car is FC S4 (86-88). S5 was 89-91. THEN a generation change to FD S6 and so on.

Basically when the whole damn thing changes (or very close to it), that's a generation change. Corvette C3 - C4 - C5 is crystal clear. But when when items, including suspension and even engine configurations change, that's not enough in and of itself to be a generation change . . . unless the manufacturer says it does. Just my $.02.

[enkeivette]

I'm sure ford would side with Leedom, but I could care less, which is why I made fun of the Evo a few pages back for being on the 10th generation with 2 major body style changes, more like 1 1/2 actually.

I'm bored now. Over this.

[Vettezuki]

I'm sure ford would side with Leedom, but I could care less, which is why I made fun of the Evo a few pages back for being on the 10th generation with 2 major body style changes, more like 1 1/2 actually.

I'm bored now. Over this.

If Ford wants to call it a new generation well that's fine by me. The rest is confusion resulting from the desire to be overly precise in terminology. The only thing that matters is that when someone says, hey Ford Ranger 2nd Gen, we know what the they're referring to.

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The only thing that matters is that when someone says, hey Ford Ranger 2nd Gen, we know what the they're referring to.

EXACTLY