Buy Chevrolet products if you care about your country.

[enkeivette]

Now that Chevrolet has announced its intent to pay back the government, buying a Chevrolet product actually works towards paying off the national debt. If you really care about your country, you'll buy Chevrolet.

Disclaimer: My sole intent here is to piss off Ben.

[Vettezuki]

. . . Disclaimer: My sole intent here is to piss off Ben.

Mission accomplished.

1 - It's just a return of funds to the Treasury. The government is incapable of forming a budget and paying off any debt. The concept is beyond them.

2 - The government STILL holds 61% of GM and I don't know what portion of the UAW's stake was paid for by taxpayers.

HOWEVER, now that GM has announced it's intention to return loaned monies (I guess all my flaming email and forum thrashing paid off :nuts:), all that needs to happen now for me to be happy is for the Gubment (and UAW equity paid for with public funds) to be sold and the revenue returned to the Treasury. Heck, I'm such an easy going guy all I need is a statement of intent with a little proof. At that point I'll be delighted to buy another GM product.

But as a company, no question, I regard Ford in higher esteem. That's the US closer to its best and GM closer to its worst (as a business structure, engineering is awesome).

Who knows, maybe I'll just skip on by to a ZR1 in a few years. :pot_stir:

[enkeivette]

:rolling: I'm so isolated this was hilarious to me. As joedls says, no one kicks the pig that doesn't squeal.

[Vettezuki]

:rolling: I'm so isolated this was hilarious to me. As joedls says, no one kicks the pig that doesn't squeal.

I hate you and your silly face.


:p

[big2bird]

But as a company, no question, I regard Ford in higher esteem. That's the US closer to its best and GM closer to its worst (as a business structure, engineering is awesome).


BECAUSE, Ford, unlike MOST US corporations has a genuine family stake. Most US corporations are a mindless get rich quick entity LIKE GM. It's all about immediate profits for stock holders, NOT the FUTURE, like Ford THINKS about.;)

[enkeivette]

BECAUSE, Ford, unlike MOST US corporations has a genuine family stake. Most US corporations are a mindless get rich quick entity LIKE GM. It's all about immediate profits for stock holders, NOT the FUTURE, like Ford THINKS about.;)

Ford Pinto "It's cheaper to let them burn." ;) Well, they were certainliy thinking about the future...

[BRUTAL64]

Ford Pinto "It's cheaper to let them burn." ;) Well, they were certainliy thinking about the future...

How old were you in the 70s??

For years after the Vega was out, you'd see them along the side of the road with blown engines. This went on for years and years---not to mention that you could watch the Vega rust away before your eyes in your driveway:nutkick:


:rolling:

[BRIAN]

---not to mention that you could watch the Vega rust away before your eyes in your driveway:nutkick:


:rolling:

BAHAHAHA!!! I fell out of my seat!!!!

[Vettezuki]

How old were you in the 70s??

For years after the Vega was out, you'd see them along the side of the road with blown engines. This went on for years and years---not to mention that you could watch the Vega rust away before your eyes in your driveway:nutkick:


:rolling:

I don't think he was referring to quality, but a case (though I thought it was about one of their trucks) when the discovered a design flaw that would lead the vehicle in some accidents to burst into flames AND impinge the doors so they couldn't open. Their legal department ran actuarials and decided it would be cheaper to pay out claims to families than redesign the product. That's just evil.

I'd also say GM's problems were not of the "get rich quick" variety like Enron, World Com, et. al., but the buildup of legacy issues over a long time causing massive fixed costs and a very slow moving insular corporate culture.

[enkeivette]

How old were you in the 70s??

For years after the Vega was out, you'd see them along the side of the road with blown engines. This went on for years and years---not to mention that you could watch the Vega rust away before your eyes in your driveway:nutkick:


:rolling:

Ever heard of World War II? Yeah? Well how old were you in the 40s?

You think you topped Ford knowingly putting out a vehicle that was prone to combustion in a low speed wreck with a story about a rusty Chevy? Really? :lame:

[enkeivette]

Not trying to defend Chevy here, but I am saying, Ford has its downfalls too. Big downfalls. Find me one person that owned a Taurus in the 90s with the original automatic transmission.

Btw, if you want to talk about vehicles on the side of the freeway let's talk abou the genius at VW that decided to make an engine block out of magnesium. Talk about a fire that you can't piss out.

[BRUTAL64]

Ever heard of World War II? Yeah? Well how old were you in the 40s?

You think you topped Ford knowingly putting out a vehicle that was prone to combustion in a low speed wreck with a story about a rusty Chevy? Really? :lame:

Nothing I do is lame!!!:judge::rolling:

You missed my point. Hell, being almost a lawyer, I thought you could keep up.:nuts:


During the 70s there were so many crap cars made by all manufactures it was down right laughable.:nutkick:


GM trucks ( I believe found in the 80s ) with a side impact would blow up. This was due to the fact the fuel tanks were OUTSIDE the frame rails.


My point, there are crap cars by all manufactures.

[BRUTAL64]

Btw, if you want to talk about vehicles on the side of the freeway let's talk abou the genius at VW that decided to make an engine block out of magnesium. Talk about a fire that you can't piss out.

We used to break up the cases and then burn them in a fire. Yep, real fun.:rolling:

[enkeivette]

Nothing I do is lame!!!:judge::rolling:

You missed my point. Hell, being almost a lawyer, I thought you could keep up.:nuts:


During the 70s there were so many crap cars made by all manufactures it was down right laughable.:nutkick:


GM trucks ( I believe found in the 80s ) with a side impact would blow up. This was due to the fact the fuel tanks were OUTSIDE the frame rails.


My point, there are crap cars by all manufactures.

Sometimes I'm in disbelief that the custom work I do on my back on my driveway holds up better than stuff that the big 3 put out into mass production. And I'm no TT.

I seriously want to buy his car btw. When I start making money in a couple years I'm going to make him an offer on it. With some paint and body work, and a cooler set of seats than the ones he picked out, that is my dream C3. And I will drive it on the street, oh yes, I will.

[BRUTAL64]

Sometimes I'm in disbelief that the custom work I do on my back on my driveway holds up better than stuff that the big 3 put out into mass production. And I'm no TT.

I seriously want to buy his car btw. When I start making money in a couple years I'm going to make him an offer on it. With some paint and body work, and a cooler set of seats than the ones he picked out, that is my dream C3. And I will drive it on the street, oh yes, I will.



"I seriously want to buy his car btw." You mean Ben's???


IOh you mean TTs.

[Vettezuki]

. . . I seriously want to buy his car btw. When I start making money in a couple years I'm going to make him an offer on it. With some paint and body work, and a cooler set of seats than the ones he picked out, that is my dream C3. And I will drive it on the street, oh yes, I will.

I don't think he'll sell it. It's his baby, just about literally and people don't generally sell their children. Some of the things he did you could duplicate here just as well, but he's got TONS of completely custom engineered and fabricated stuff, like his rear suspension setup which is guarded like a national security secret, trust, I've tried. :)

[big2bird]

How old were you in the 70s??

For years after the Vega was out, you'd see them along the side of the road with blown engines.


:rolling:

This is where auto mechanical history pays off. I had a 1922 chevy engine I sold in 1978 or so. A friend who was REALLY good looked at it, and said, "wholy crap. That's the Vega block." SO, we checked it out, and yep, they pulled out the old drawings/molds, and recast it . :lmfao:

(Lesson #1, Detroit NEVER tosses anything. It gets recycled ALOT).

[big2bird]

Sometimes I'm in disbelief that the custom work I do on my back on my driveway holds up better than stuff that the big 3 put out into mass production. And I'm no TT.

I seriously want to buy his car btw. When I start making money in a couple years I'm going to make him an offer on it. With some paint and body work, and a cooler set of seats than the ones he picked out, that is my dream C3. And I will drive it on the street, oh yes, I will.

News flash. TT is a consumer, not a seller. All that stuff he has goes ONE WAY.

[enkeivette]

News flash. TT is a consumer, not a seller. All that stuff he has goes ONE WAY.

Everything is always for sale. The question is, will I offer enough money.

[big2bird]

Everything is always for sale. The question is, will I offer enough money.

True. But he doesn't need the money.:)

[enkeivette]

True. But he doesn't need the money.:)

I can tell, can't hurt to try though. Need to do a few things before I get to that point though. :)