RX-Snake: Project Management and General Issues

[Vettezuki]

This will be the Master thread, containing the project management and other top level stuff. Other threads will be created for dedicated subjects.


BASIC VEHICLE DESCRIPTION
1987 RX-7 (http://motorgen.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1055)
Small Block Ford 302
Holley 174 Blower 12-15 psi with meth/propane (http://motorgen.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1054)
4 speed manual top loader (http://motorgen.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1063)
Ford 8.8" or 9" solid axle rear (http://motorgen.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1064)
Almost fully striped (minimal electrical retained)
6 Point Cage (http://motorgen.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1061)
Custom Paint and Logos
Custom Body work (http://motorgen.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1053)
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Video of torching off wheel, it's a hoot! (http://www.motorgen.com//vid/showphoto.php/photo/1006)


We expect the car to run mid 10s@130~ with a good driver. The car will be about 450WHP and 2,700 lbs.

joedls has graciously provided the engine transmission and blower. We owe him big time. :hail:

This thread is for active project participants. If you are not a participant but have any questions or comments, please use this (http://motorgen.com/forum/showthread.php?p=12154#post12154) thread. If you have any SBF, RX-7, other parts, money or time you'd like to contribute post in this thread and poof you're a participant.

Please see the next three posts for project management overview.

[Vettezuki]

UPCOMING DATES
Work on Tuesday June 8 and Thursday June 10.

PHASE BREAKDOWN
PHASE 1
- Acquire Car -- DONE
- Strip Car 90% -- DONE
- Transport SBF and Trans to Vettezuki's house for later installation. -- DONE
- Acquire Heads -- DONE
- Repair Holley 174 -- Underway
- Cage car 6 point -- DONE
- Assemble engine -- Fully dissassembled
- Acquire Headers
- Acquire Carb -- DONE

PHASE 2
- Setup Axle
- Suspension -- Fully removed and disassembled
- Check and rebuild brake system as needed
- Begin Body Prep -- Underway
- Body fabrication -- Front and rear bumper, well underway
- Gauge layout and dash fabrication

Phase 3
- Mock up, installation check
- Body and Paint

Phase 4
- Install engine system and trans
- Install interior
- Install electrical
- Shake out bugs, loose ends

[Vettezuki]

PARTS - This is a VERY partial list, but are for sure required.

Engine Related
- Starter - DONE
- Alternator - DONE
- Alt bracket - Joe thinks he has one
- Main Pulley - Joe thinks he has one
- Headers
- MLS Head Gaskets (can you say boost baby!)
- Distributor
- Plugs
- Wires
- Radiator
- Carburetor - DONE

Trans Related
- Scatter Shield - DONE
- Shifter - DONE (in shipping)
- Drive Shaft - We have one to work with

Msc
- Line Lock
- Battery
- Wheels and tires for the rear, tires on stock wheels in the front

Suspension
- Front Struts
- Rear shocks

[Vettezuki]

December 31, 2008: Decided on RX-7 with Forced Induction SBF. See this (http://www.motorgen.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1027) thread for history of discussion.

2009
January 3, 2009: Purchased 1987 Gen II RX-7, began stripping.
January 4: Removed engine and trans, continued to strip harness and clean. Decided to make the car minimally streetable, with "show car" registration
January 5: Received Engine and Trans from joedls. Continued to clean.
January 6-7: Continued cleaning and stripping
January 9: Purchased pair of Avenger 195cc Heads
January 10: Received Electric fan from kdracer73
January 11: Continued cleaning and stripping. Transferred to 94cobra69ss396 for caging. Caging begun.
January 23: Received Heads
January 24: Ron continued Work on Cage
January 28: Picked up Alt + Starter
January 29: Removed stock heads, began cleaning block in prep for paint. Discovered valves in new heads won't work with current pistons.
February 4: Ron Completed Cage
February 8: Purchased Carburetor, checked cam, continued stripping down and cleaning engine.
February 13: Picked up blower from Joe
February 14: Joe dropped off oil pan. Picked up SBC Crossmember, TKO Trans Mount, DS, and MC from buddy.
March 1: Joe acquired Scatter shield at swap meet.
March 13: Ron completed fabricating installing modified trans cross member and fabricating motor mounts, including fitment checks
March 14: Ron dropped off RX-Snake back my house
March 21: Full day group effort on body prep
March 22: joedls dropped off scatter shield and blower intake
March 25: Death Cult Aaronmageddon began working on front bumper, I began removing sound deadening material, etc.
March 28: Death Cult worked on Front Bumper, I continued removing harness, sound material, etc.
March 29: DC continued with front bumper, I did msc, clean and prep, big2bird dropped off C5 radiator for trial
March 30: DC continued with front bumper,
April 3: Major patio and garage cleaning
April 6: Received Renagate shifter
April 10: Worked with DC on front bumper and misc stripping cleaning
April 12: Major cleanup of work area
April 13: Pull internals from engine with Ron.
April 19: Began stripping the remnants of the sou
nd insulation with a Scotch Brite pad
April 24: DC worked on the bumper
May - August Front and rear bumper fabrication related work, engine dissassembly and lots of tidbits
September - June: Here and there on the front and rear bumpers, and getting the blower sorted.

2010
We're back yo!
June 8, 10: Front and rear bumper, body work, etc.

[enkeivette]

I'm excited. :D

[SeanPlunk]

I'm excited. :D

Me too, it should be interesting. I'm hoping to learn a lot (especially given how little I know currently :laugh:).

[big2bird]

I'm "half" excited.:D But I'm there.:thumbs_up:

I see where Ben is going with this.


First question; will the SBF need a rear sump pan or a front sump pan in the RX7?:drink:


After 2:00 pm today I won't be here till Sat around 9 or 10 am.

I would ask TT to do a cad overlay, showing the integration/fitment of parts. He has the skill, just don't know if he has the time/interest.

[Vettezuki]

I'll use the top 4 posts as our ghetto project management. Keep an eye on them, they'll change continuously.

[Leedom]

I am down to help out with time and maybe even a little money. Lets do this!! :nuts: :woot::creepy_thumbsup::thumbs_up:

[Vettezuki]

See Phase breakdown in Project Schedule (http://motorgen.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12138&postcount=2) to see if it makes sense to you guys. Ok, I'm going to clean up my patio now for this project.:drink:

[Leedom]

See Phase breakdown in Project Schedule (http://motorgen.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12138&postcount=2) to see if it makes sense to you guys. Ok, I'm going to clean up my patio now for this project.:drink:

Ben,

We may want to at least drop the motor and trans in there before we go to paint to see if we need to make room/modify anything. That way we can do the modification and not have to worry about messing up Adam's awesome paint job. Once we get a car I can photoshop some paint schemes.

[big2bird]

Ben,

We may want to at least drop the motor and trans in there before we go to paint to see if we need to make room/modify anything. That way we can do the modification and not have to worry about messing up Adam's awesome paint job. Once we get a car I can photoshop some paint schemes.

Paint should be last, unless you want to mock it up first, then disassemble for paint and re assemble.:sm_up_there:

[enkeivette]

This new addition allows bolt-in installation of the lite-weight 5.0, requires NO crossmember modification, yet still fits under the hood !!!

Not likely with a blower! :D But hey, that's what a sawzall is for.

We can run VERY sticky rubber at the track, and if we really want to optimize for straight line we can set up the suspension for it as well. How much we want to optimize for straightline performance, or whatever, is another question.

I'll think of some names after I've had a few later on tonight. Look out.

Ben, as far as traction goes I'm invisioning some huge 4" +? Type flares in the back. With some finesse and some art work it can be made to look nice... and mean. Is that something that you guys would want me to do? What are you thinking as far as tires go?

As far as the paint job, Ben, can your air system be set to run at around 35 psi? I'm looking into buying an HVLP gun just for this cause.



And let's give three cheers to Joedls for donating a wicked drivetrain! :beer::beer::beer:

[Leedom]

And let's give three cheers to Joedls for donating a wicked drivetrain! :beer::beer::beer:

:iagree::woot:

[big2bird]

Not likely with a blower! :D But hey, that's what a sawzall is for.


That's the spirit. Even if it's a coupe, a full cage then ,"voila", instant vert.:sm_laughing:

[Vettezuki]

...

Ben, as far as traction goes I'm invisioning some huge 4" +? Type flares in the back. With some finesse and some art work it can be made to look nice... and mean. Is that something that you guys would want me to do? What are you thinking as far as tires go?



Tires should be dictated by power and function. If we're thinking >=500WHP there isn't any reason to run anything wider than 10" slicks. At least as far as my primitive knowledge goes. But hells yeah, let's make it mean. The flares should just follow the function of the tires we end up with.

As far as the paint job, Ben, can your air system be set to run at around 35 psi? I'm looking into buying an HVLP gun just for this cause.

I think the regulator will go that low and if not we can get one. I have a paint gun (my brother's) around here somewhere. But it ain't no fancy one.



And let's give three cheers to Joedls for donating a wicked drivetrain! :beer::beer::beer:

In deed.:drink:

[Vettezuki]

Paint should be last, unless you want to mock it up first, then disassemble for paint and re assemble.:sm_up_there:

I think a mock up before paint ain't a bad idea. It'd kinda suck to run into a whoops, that don't fit, after paint. :huh:

[big2bird]

I think a mock up before paint ain't a bad idea. It'd kinda suck to run into a whoops, that don't fit, after paint. :huh:

Yep. You have plenty of HP. Draw it, mock it, fab it, disassemble,paint,assemble, finish work like wiring,gauges,etc.

[Death Cult Aaronmageddon]

I think the regulator will go that low and if not we can get one. I have a paint gun (my brother's) around here somewhere. But it ain't no fancy one.
Your brother does indeed own a gun and it is a fancy one. It's modeled after a super mega expensive German made gun. It will do anything you wanna do. Your brother doesn't buy cheap tools. Also the air compressor your brother bought will definitely support 35 psi for extended use. It's been used to prime a roadrunner before.

[Vettezuki]

Your brother does indeed own a gun and it is a fancy one. It's modeled after a super mega expensive German made gun. It will do anything you wanna do. Your brother doesn't buy cheap tools. Also the air compressor your brother bought will definitely support 35 psi for extended use. It's been used to prime a roadrunner before.

Well heck then, game set match. I thought you once told me it was the older type of gun and not one of these new fangled low pressure types. :huh: But word.

Said brother also has a mig welder that I used to weld the trailing arms on the vette and a bracket for enkeivette. I also have his blasting cabinet for cleaning up stuff with an attachment for doing media blasting. In short between the stuff of his I have here and my own relatively well equipped tool set, we should be ready to rumble. And I'm very willing to add to my tools as necessarry, like maybe a cold cut saw, pipe bender, who kows. :smack:

[Leedom]

I think that a Pipe bender would be a good add. Besides being able to use it on the project car, we can build you some bumpers for the jeep.

[Vettezuki]

I think that a Pipe bender would be a good add. Besides being able to use it on the project car, we can build you some bumpers for the jeep.

I've got nice (expensive) rock crawlers on the Jeep. But a pipe bender is one of those "you're cool now" tools. Especially if you know how to use it. I don't think it'll be so necessarry for this project, unless we think we want to try and build our own cage, which might be fun and educational . . . But first things first. Get car. :smack:

[big2bird]

I think that a Pipe bender would be a good add. Besides being able to use it on the project car, we can build you some bumpers for the jeep.

A good mandrel bender is $$$$$$$$. I have buddies with those. Save your $$$$

[Vettezuki]

A good mandrel bender is $$$$$$$$. I have buddies with those. Save your $$$$

Good to know. :)

[Vettezuki]

See poll and please vote for basic direction of car. This has implications from engine setup (how aggressive, what can be tolerated) and electrical, etc.

[SeanPlunk]

See poll and please vote for basic direction of car. This has implications from engine setup (how aggressive, what can be tolerated) and electrical, etc.

I voted for vaguely streetable. I think it would be cool to be able to drive it to car shows or something occasionally.

[enkeivette]

I voted for vaguely streetable. I think it would be cool to be able to drive it to car shows or something occasionally.

With the drivetrain basically set and a tight budget in mind, I don't think that we have to worry about keeping streetable. I think we can go as crazy as we want and it will still cruise on the highway and put around at Sonic Burger.

This is sort of like when people ask me for workout advice with the preface "well, I don't wanna get too big." Hey, don't worry about it, aint gonna happen overnight!

Seeing as how this will be a track/ meet only car. I see no reason to hold back any, we will have plenty of limitations. We don't need to impose any of our own.

[enkeivette]

I don't see how the poll options are mutually exclusive. Unless we're talking about 5lbs for headlights and turn signals.

[Vettezuki]

I don't see how the poll options are mutually exclusive. Unless we're talking about 5lbs for headlights and turn signals.

Purpose built cars don't have to account for side view mirrors, indicator lights, headlights, etc. Nor do they have to have more than a couple gallons of fuel. A street car needs these things and tune, plus cooling system, that will handle street driving. I think it's important to distinguish. Also the registration is totally different. Not something we have to decide so quick, but if I manage to get the car tomorrow or this weekend, we can begin stripping immediately. I don't want to put things back on. :smack:

[big2bird]

Purpose built cars don't have to account for side view mirrors, indicator lights, headlights, etc. Nor do they have to have more than a couple gallons of fuel. A street car needs these things and tune, plus cooling system, that will handle street driving. I think it's important to distinguish. Also the registration is totally different. Not something we have to decide so quick, but if I manage to get the car tomorrow or this weekend, we can begin stripping immediately. I don't want to put things back on. :smack:

Is a manul tranny cast in stone? Unless your gonna get a narrowed 9" rear with a spool, a highly modified C-4 might help keep you from grenading the rear. A good set up C-4 with a real high stall can be made to beat a manual tranny.

[big2bird]

Purpose built cars don't have to account for side view mirrors, indicator lights, headlights, etc. Nor do they have to have more than a couple gallons of fuel. A street car needs these things and tune, plus cooling system, that will handle street driving. I think it's important to distinguish. Also the registration is totally different. Not something we have to decide so quick, but if I manage to get the car tomorrow or this weekend, we can begin stripping immediately. I don't want to put things back on. :smack:

I agree. Streetable costs weight, and limits what you can do.

[Vettezuki]

I agree. Streetable costs weight, and limits what you can do.

It only need to be minimally streetable, like a street legal (show car registered) race car is ok. Race seat(s), no back seat, no insulation all is "fine". My concerns would be more of the chassis harness, engine tune/cooling, and the like. Can be decided later, just want to get an idea of other issues I might not be thinking of and flesh out opinions.

As for the tranny, nothing is set in stone. I would actually lean towards the Auto if it's going to be a purpose built straightline car, and keep the manual if it's going to be anything additional. Plus I'm exploring some lines on 8.8s and 9s anyway.

[BRUTAL64]

Well, I'm gone 3 days and nothing has been done. Damn.:laugh:

[SeanPlunk]

Ben, I haven't read far enough to see if this was answered yet but I have a trailer. Also, if it hasn't been arranged yet I can build a cage for it. I have a couple buddies with tube benders. The only thing we would need is the tubing.

Ben picked up the car today and just had AAA tow it home :bigthumbsup:

If you can build the cage that would be awesome. I think we can figure out the tubing.

[bgn8711]

hey eveyone I've been out of town all week, I wanna see pics of this beast. I def. wanna get in on helping with this beast! Seems like an awesome idea, can't wait to see pics!

Brian

[Vettezuki]

Basically, if we are building what I THINK we are building, just the connectors with a 6" tail. I may just tag it and pull it all. The rear harness might be reused. The engine compartment will be all new. Since the car will weigh almost the same when done, I'd leave the stock brakes for now. I vote trash the whole dash, and I'll fab an aluminum one. As a matter of fact, I would remove and tag it all. Interior to shell, hood, doors, underhood, then put it up on blocks nice and high. I'll see if I can get away tomarrow. I'm still getting more chores on this hillbilly shack. :bang:

I'm about about to give a ruling on the street/vs. non-street issue.

In any event we are on the same page. enkeivette and I were talking about the dash. I always wanted to drive a car that was started from a switch on the roof. :motorsmile:

[enkeivette]

I vote trash the whole dash, and I'll fab an aluminum one.

Ben, did I call it or what? :D

How did you get the steering to unlock? Did you dremel off that lil doohicky?

[Vettezuki]

Ben, did I call it or what? :D

How did you get the steering to unlock? Did you dremel off that lil doohicky?

Indeed, you called it. BTW, bird, I have the resources to punch out any pattern on a 2D piece of sheet metal you can dream up. So let's think about all the gauges and switches we might want.


I started by dremeling the locking mechanism. Then my little lazy monkey brain said, there's got to be a better way. Hazaah. There was a set screw for the key mechanism. Once unscrewed said mechanism was easily pulled out. Then, using my favorite tool, the big-ass-screwdriver, I could turn the "key" (a.k.a., screwdriver) to run. Poof, unlock had been achieved.

[SeanPlunk]

Indeed, you called it. BTW, bird, I have the resources to punch out any pattern on a 2D piece of sheet metal you can dream up. So let's think about all the gauges and switches we might want.


I started by dremeling the locking mechanism. Then my little lazy monkey brain said, there's got to be a better way. Hazaah. There was a set screw for the key mechanism. Once unscrewed said mechanism was easily pulled out. Then, using my favorite tool, the big-ass-screwdriver, I could turn the "key" (a.k.a., screwdriver) to run. Poof, unlock had been achieved.

Ben, can Adam and I come by and check it out today? We could pull the engine if you have some free time. We're going to Savi at noon, so I was thinking 1ish. I'll give you a call and see what you're up to.

[Vettezuki]

Ben, can Adam and I come by and check it out today? We could pull the engine if you have some free time. We're going to Savi at noon, so I was thinking 1ish. I'll give you a call and see what you're up to.

That'd be great. See you around 1:00 - 1:30.

[Vettezuki]

Do I get a prize for naming her?

Sean said he'd give you a big hug.

[Vettezuki]

We will make a minimally streetable car.

For those who voted for a track car this mostly just means that we have to keep some basic electrics for indicators, and register as a "show" car. The main reason for choosing this direction is so that we can get some rolling promotion when going to some local events and we aren't building anything so insane as to require a true off road only focus.

[big2bird]

We will make a minimally streetable car.

For those who voted for a track car this mostly just means that we have to keep some basic electrics for indicators, and register as a "show" car. The main reason for choosing this direction is so that we can get some rolling promotion when going to some local events and we aren't building anything so insane as to require a true off road only focus.

Then you need to find the list of requirements for it to be street legal. You may have to keep wipers, mirrors, lights, T/S's, Hazard flashers, collapsible steering column, air bags, inertia switches, fuel tank, and a shit pot more. Do your homework before you strip anything else.

[Vettezuki]

Then you need to find the list of requirements for it to be street legal. You may have to keep wipers, mirrors, lights, T/S's, Hazard flashers, collapsible steering column, air bags, inertia switches, fuel tank, and a shit pot more. Do your homework before you strip anything else.

Yep. I can always change my mind to the easier way. :smack: Just wanted to state this was the intention.

[Leedom]

Then you need to find the list of requirements for it to be street legal. You may have to keep wipers, mirrors, lights, T/S's, Hazard flashers, collapsible steering column, air bags, inertia switches, fuel tank, and a shit pot more. Do your homework before you strip anything else.

Stop trying to cause problems Bird. :pot_stir:

[enkeivette]

I don't think many cops will look under your car for a stock gas tank or... inertia switches :confused: :sm_laughing:

I'd even ditch the wipers. You will obviously never be able to sell this car as street legal ever again, but you can get away with a lot with show car registration.

5050. The Legislature finds and declares that constructive leisure pursuits by California citizens is most important. This article is intended to encourage responsible participation in the hobby of collecting, preserving, restoring, and maintaining motor vehicles of historic and special interest, which hobby contributes to the enjoyment of the citizen and the preservation of California's automotive memorabilia.


5051. As used in this article, unless the context otherwise requires:

(a) “Collector” is the owner of one or more vehicles described in Section 5004 or of one or more special interest vehicles, as defined in this article, who collects, purchases, acquires, trades, or disposes of the vehicle, or parts thereof, for his or her own use, in order to preserve, restore, and maintain the vehicle for hobby or historical purposes.

(b) “Special interest vehicle” is a vehicle of an age that is unaltered from the manufacturer’s original specifications and, because of its significance, including, but not limited to, an out-of-production vehicle or a model of less than 2,000 sold in California in a model-year, is collected, preserved, restored, or maintained by a hobbyist as a leisure pursuit.


Not sure which if any of these it would go under. I could stop by my friends house and see what he did with his truck if necessary, but I hope AAA or the DMV would know more on this.

http://i44.tinypic.com/2zq7fk9.png

[Vettezuki]

I don't think many cops will look under your car for a stock gas tank or... inertia switches :confused: :sm_laughing:

I'd even ditch the wipers. You will obviously never be able to sell this car as street legal ever again, but you can get away with a lot with show car registration.

5050. The Legislature finds and declares that constructive leisure pursuits by California citizens is most important. This article is intended to encourage responsible participation in the hobby of collecting, preserving, restoring, and maintaining motor vehicles of historic and special interest, which hobby contributes to the enjoyment of the citizen and the preservation of California's automotive memorabilia.


5051. As used in this article, unless the context otherwise requires:

(a) “Collector” is the owner of one or more vehicles described in Section 5004 or of one or more special interest vehicles, as defined in this article, who collects, purchases, acquires, trades, or disposes of the vehicle, or parts thereof, for his or her own use, in order to preserve, restore, and maintain the vehicle for hobby or historical purposes.

(b) “Special interest vehicle” is a vehicle of an age that is unaltered from the manufacturer’s original specifications and, because of its significance, including, but not limited to, an out-of-production vehicle or a model of less than 2,000 sold in California in a model-year, is collected, preserved, restored, or maintained by a hobbyist as a leisure pursuit.


Not sure which if any of these it would go under. I could stop by my friends house and see what he did with his truck if necessary, but I hope AAA or the DMV would know more on this.




I will ask when I go to AAA after picking up the motor soon. My initial independent research has only found a class for "Custom Built Car" registration. This is not an easy process. It requires lots of documentation, a safety inspection by the CHP, and yes, a smog inspection by the BAR, based on some mysterious calculus determined by the year of the engine and chassis. In other words, lots of grey areas. However, this classification actually means the car is road legal, period. If the show car registration works out as you describe, sounds pretty easy in comparison and would be appropriate for our purposes.

[Leedom]

I will ask when I go to AAA after picking up the motor soon. My initial independent research has only found a class for "Custom Built Car" registration. This is not an easy process. It requires lots of documentation, a safety inspection by the CHP, and yes, a smog inspection by the BAR, based on some mysterious calculus determined by the year of the engine and chassis. In other words, lots of grey areas. However, this classification actually means the car is road legal, period. If the show car registration works out as you describe, sounds pretty easy in comparison and would be appropriate for our purposes.

I am not sure how these special registration would work for our project but from what I understand with these rules is in order for you to pass smog in CA the engine would have to be from a car that year or newer. IE if the car is a '87 RX-7 then the motor would have to a '87 or newer motor and the smog rules would be applicable to the year of the motor.

[Vettezuki]

I am not sure how these special registration would work on what I understand with cars but in order for you to pass smog in CA the engine would have to be from a car that year or newer. IE if the car is a '87 RX-7 then the motor would have to a '87 or newer motor and the smog rules would be applicable to '87.

This isn't the case here. I know ALL about street legal engie swaps. In no sense is that what we're even eligible for.

There seem to be two of additional classes of registration
- Custom Built
Requires extensive documentation and inspections. A swap doesn't qualify in and of itself, but doing what we are could plausibly qualify. If you get this level of registration, it's actually a street car. Seems to be pretty tedious.

- Show Car
As suggested by enkei. Severely restricted on road use. Basically you need to be coming from or going to an event. Period. However, the requirements are much lower, including a complete smog waiver. If this is what's available, it's what I'll go for. If not, I'll "probably" go for the off-road only registration. I know what it's like to deal with the state. It's not sooo bad, but it is tedious.

[94cobra69ss396]

I am not sure how these special registration would work for our project but from what I understand with these rules is in order for you to pass smog in CA the engine would have to be from a car that year or newer. IE if the car is a '87 RX-7 then the motor would have to a '87 or newer motor and the smog rules would be applicable to the year of the motor.

You are correct. This is the Custom that Ben is talking about. This is the same that my brother had to do to his FJ40 to put the SBC in it. He had to have all the smog equipment for the year of the engine, not the chassis. If he had used the 1969 FJ instead of his 1978 this wouldn't have been an issue.

[silvertermi04]

Where are the pictures that u guys took on sunday when i was there.

[Vettezuki]

Where are the pictures that u guys took on sunday when i was there.

They'll be up within today.

[Vettezuki]

A couple pics from Sunday removing the engine/trans. You can see all the pictures attached to the vehicle in the database: RX-Snake (http://motorgen.com/garage/showvehicle.php?vid=236).

http://motorgen.com/pic/data/771/Day2_07.jpg

http://motorgen.com/pic/data/771/Day2_06.jpg

http://motorgen.com/pic/data/771/Day2_05.jpg

http://motorgen.com/pic/data/771/Day2_12.jpg

http://motorgen.com/pic/data/771/Day2_15.jpg

http://motorgen.com/pic/data/771/Day2_16.jpg

http://motorgen.com/pic/data/771/Day2_17.jpg

[Vettezuki]

Does anybody have or know where to get cheap, or rent a foam block of a SBF. Playing with my measuring tape and the block last night, I think this going to take quite a few in/outs to dial in correctly.

[bgn8711]

Does anybody have or know where to get cheap, or rent a foam block of a SBF. Playing with my measuring tape and the block last night, I think this going to take quite a few in/outs to dial in correctly.

haha I'll bet it took you a lot of in/outs to "dial it in" :sm_laughing:. Dude I'm pissed where's the picture of me flipping off the shitty rotary motor??

[Vettezuki]

haha I'll bet it took you a lot of in/outs to "dial it in" :sm_laughing:. Dude I'm pissed where's the picture of me flipping off the shitty rotary motor??

Guess Adam didn't provide that to me. He's a grown up.

[Death Cult Aaronmageddon]

I like how in most of the pictures I'm one of the only ones working. Haha Good times.

[silvertermi04]

I like how in most of the pictures I'm one of the only ones working. Haha Good times.


LIES ALL LIES LOL i was in there getting dirty. Check out sean being cold lol

By the way check out the comments on the pics.:bigthumbsup:

[Vettezuki]

LIES ALL LIES LOL i was in there getting dirty. Check out sean being cold lol

By the way check out the comments on the pics.:bigthumbsup:

Everyone helped out quite a bit and all in all, it went pretty smoothly. My big mistake was not draining the fluids. For some dumb reason I thought it didn't have any oil in it. I've got a hell of mess on the driveway, but I got a pressure washer so it'll be all right. I've been working on it every night for a couple hours. It should be thoroughly stripped and fairly clean by Sunday, when Ron comes to pick it up for caging.

[Vettezuki]

Here's (http://www.motorgen.com//vid/showphoto.php/photo/785) a walk around video from the day the RX-7 arrived.

[Vettezuki]

Ron (a.k.a. 94cobra69ss396) picked up the car for caging today. I had some time to continue stripping and cleaning before he picked up, so here's the status:


http://motorgen.com/pic/data/771/Day9_1.jpg

http://motorgen.com/pic/data/771/Day9_2.jpg

http://motorgen.com/pic/data/771/Day9_3.jpg

http://motorgen.com/pic/data/771/Day9_7.jpg

http://motorgen.com/pic/data/771/Day9_8.jpg

http://motorgen.com/pic/data/771/Day9_11.jpg

http://motorgen.com/pic/data/771/Day9_12.jpg

http://motorgen.com/pic/data/771/Day9_13.jpg

http://motorgen.com/pic/data/771/Day9_5.jpg

http://motorgen.com/pic/data/771/Day9_9.jpg

http://motorgen.com/pic/data/771/Day9_10.jpg

http://motorgen.com/pic/data/771/Day9_6.jpg

[94cobra69ss396]

Ben, I started the cage yesterday after I picked up the car. I went straight over to my buddy Joes house and we bent up the main hoop. I posted some pictures up under the cage thread.

Cage Thread (http://www.motorgen.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1061)

[Vettezuki]

Ben, I started the cage yesterday after I picked up the car. I went straight over to my buddy Joes house and we bent up the main hoop. I posted some pictures up under the cage thread.

Cage Thread (http://www.motorgen.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1061)

I saw that. This project has some great momentum. Thank you and your buddy for all your hard work. :thumbs_up:

We'll make every effort to get a seat in there that will allow you 6'2"+ guys to drive. :drive:

[94cobra69ss396]

Main hoop is installed. See cage thread for pictures.

Cage Thread (http://www.motorgen.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1061&page=3)

[Vettezuki]

I was at the DMV for something else today and asked about the show car registration. The closest thing they have is historical vehicle registration and we don't qualify. Must be 25 years or older and of historical interest, blah blah blah. As I mentioned earlier the custom built car reg won't work because it requires complete smog according to the engine, as well as CHP inspection. A BLower 302 won't fly.

So, unless someone can find me a link to the exact registration info necessarry, we'll be going non-op track only. Don't have to decide exactly yet. The only difference is in the final step of stripping all the harness and all the lights, etc., which we don't have to do yet.

[Vettezuki]

Ok, not making any commitments here. I know I said there was no real pressure and I'd like to have the car done by July 4th, which seemed like a nice 6 month goal. Well, Fabulous Fords Forever is in April April 19th to be exact and while it doesn't have to be totally finished by then, maybe this is a good goal. Things are going pretty quickly so far and most decisions are falling naturally into place. What'cha all think?

The big presure here would be on Body and Paint, the rest of it I don't think there'd be all that much of a problem. enkeivette, I'm looking at you. How's school and work. Certainly we can make decisions that streamline the process and sidestep major time suckers, but is this even on the table for you as a possibility?

[big2bird]

I was at the DMV for something else today and asked about the show car registration. The closest thing they have is historical vehicle registration and we don't qualify. Must be 25 years or older and of historical interest, blah blah blah. As I mentioned earlier the custom built car reg won't work because it requires complete smog according to the engine, as well as CHP inspection. A BLower 302 won't fly.

So, unless someone can find me a link to the exact registration info necessarry, we'll be going non-op track only. Don't have to decide exactly yet. The only difference is in the final step of stripping all the harness and all the lights, etc., which we don't have to do yet.

Ahem (Cough,cough). Told you so.:rolling:

[big2bird]

Ok, not making any commitments here. I know I said there was no real pressure and I'd like to have the car done by July 4th, which seemed like a nice 6 month goal. Well, Fabulous Fords Forever is in April April 19th to be exact and while it doesn't have to be totally finished by then, maybe this is a good goal. Things are going pretty quickly so far and most decisions are falling naturally into place. What'cha all think?

The big presure here would be on Body and Paint, the rest of it I don't think there'd be all that much of a problem. enkeivette, I'm looking at you. How's school and work. Certainly we can make decisions that streamline the process and sidestep major time suckers, but is this even on the table for you as a possibility?

:judge::judge::nutkick::nutkick::nutkick:Honestly? ? So what, who cares?

[Vettezuki]

:judge::judge::nutkick::nutkick::nutkick:Honestly? ? So what, who cares?

You'll be the one wiring up the dash April 19th at Midnight. :smack:

[94cobra69ss396]

Rear bars are in.

Cage Thread (http://www.motorgen.com/forum/showthread.php?p=13736#post13736)

[Vettezuki]

Rear bars are in.

Cage Thread (http://www.motorgen.com/forum/showthread.php?p=13736#post13736)


:drink:

[Vettezuki]

It's official. This will be strictly a track car. I will pull the full harness and lights when it comes back.

[07gtpony]

Who owns the trailer and do they rent it out????

[94cobra69ss396]

Who owns the trailer and do they rent it out????

It's mine and Throttle Crazy's and no we don't rent it out. Are you looking at moving a car as a one time move?

[Vettezuki]

Here's the things I'm looking to get.

HIGHEST PRIORITY
- Repair parts for 174 $$?
- Workable 4150 750cfm Holley Double Pumper, 4 corner idle set. < $75

MODERATE PRIORITY
- Scatter Shield for Top Loader <$200
- B&M Hurst Shifter for Top Loader <$125
- Alternator Bracket $$?
- Main Pulley $$?

LOWER PRIORITY
LT Headers <$200 (I think we'll have plenty of space with most LT headers because we will have stripped so much, I think . . . )

[94cobra69ss396]

You need to update the roll bar as completed.

[Vettezuki]

You need to update the roll bar as completed.

Put it in the Project Log at 4:54 PM. ;)

[enkeivette]

B-money, have you called these dudes? They be in LaHambrrra.

SUPERCHARGER USA

1120 S. CYPRESS ST.

UNIT C

LA HABRA, CA 90631

(714) 578-8200

[Vettezuki]

B-money, have you called these dudes? They be in LaHambrrra.

SUPERCHARGER USA

1120 S. CYPRESS ST.

UNIT C

LA HABRA, CA 90631

(714) 578-8200


Yes. No Dice. They can only repair. They have no replacement parts, which is most likely where we're at.

[joedls]

Here's the things I'm looking to get.

HIGHEST PRIORITY
- Repair parts for 174 $$?
- Workable 4150 750cfm Holley Double Pumper, 4 corner idle set. < $75

MODERATE PRIORITY
- Scatter Shield for Top Loader <$200
- B&M Hurst Shifter for Top Loader <$125
- Alternator Bracket $$?
- Main Pulley $$?

LOWER PRIORITY
LT Headers <$200 (I think we'll have plenty of space with most LT headers because we will have stripped so much, I think . . . )


Not looking too promising that I'll be there. I hate wet weather. I got my fill of it when I lived in Seattle for 8 years.

[Leedom]

Put it in the Project Log at 4:54 PM. ;)

Ben,

YOu need to update post#2 to say that the cage is complete. Way to go Ron!!!!!:drink::thumbs_up::D

[94cobra69ss396]

Not looking too promising that I'll be there. I hate wet weather. I got my fill of it when I lived in Seattle for 8 years.

Ben, I still meet you if you want to go. If you do want to go I'll meet you at your house and we can carpool down to Long Beach.

[Vettezuki]

Ben, I still meet you if you want to go. If you do want to go I'll meet you at your house and we can carpool down to Long Beach.

Let's do this thing. What time?

[Vettezuki]

Ben,

YOu need to update post#2 to say that the cage is complete. Way to go Ron!!!!!:drink::thumbs_up::D

Done. Sorry Ron. I just updated the log.

[94cobra69ss396]

Let's do this thing. What time?

How about I meet you at your house at 6am?

[Vettezuki]

How about I meet you at your house at 6am?


Oki doki. I'm not a morning person so you'll have to ignore my goofiness. :)

[Leedom]

Oki doki. I'm not a morning person so you'll have to ignore my goofiness. :)

... and don't laugh at his hair either.

[Vettezuki]

... and don't laugh at his hair either.

That really pisses me off. :)

Once I was at Home Depot and a nice young African American girl said ,"I like your hair". I was in full Jew-fro mode. No, I'm not making this up. When my wife (Japanese) gives me a hard time about my fro, I say, "black chicks dig it."

[Vettezuki]

Picked up the blower from Joe on Friday. Uh, yeah, we'll be needing to find or buy a new bearing plate at least, being split in half and all. The snout *might* be able to be welded. :huh:

Joe forgot the pan on Friday, but dropped it off at my house today. Later this morning I went to pick up the crossmember and trans mount for SBC and TKO for reference or possibly using. My pal threw in a balanced drive shaft for that trans and a TII diff. Probably won't work, but who knows. Oh yeah, he also gave me an unopened Wilwood Clutch MC. I'll probably go with a hydraulic throwout instead of mechanical linkage for the Toploader.

[94cobra69ss396]

Ben brought the crossmembers and the oil pan to me today. We installed the engine crossmember and it looks like it will be close for the SBF. It at least gives me a good starting point to fab from. Here are a couple pictures of it installed.

http://www.motorgen.com/pic/data/500/medium/100_0170.JPG
http://www.motorgen.com/pic/data/500/medium/100_0169.JPG

We also mounted one of my racing tires for my Cobra on Rx-Snake to see how they would fit. The rims are stock Mustang rims (I think from a 98) that are 17x8 and the tires are M/T ET Streets that are 26x11.5x17. The tires are about 27 inches tall and about 9.5 inches wide when mounted on an 8 inch rim and they fit Rx-Snake perfectly. I bounced the suspension and the tire just clears the wheel well without touching. So it looks like the stock backspacing for a Mustang will work well on Rx-Snake. If we install flares we should be able to run a 28x10.5 tire. Here's a picture.

http://www.motorgen.com/pic/data/500/medium/100_0168.JPG

[Vettezuki]

HIGHEST PRIORITY
- Repair parts for 174 $350 (snout and bearing plate)

MODERATE PRIORITY
- Scatter Shield for SBF - Top Loader <$200
- B&M Hurst Shifter for Top Loader <$125 (including installation kit, rods, etc.)
- Alternator Bracket $$?
- Main Pulley $$?

LOWER PRIORITY
If you can find parts for the 174 first, then LT Headers <$200 (I think we'll have plenty of space with most LT headers because we will have stripped so much, I think . . . )

If you can't find parts for the 174, don't get headers because there's a pretty good chance I'll get that Turbo kit if we run out of ways to make the 174 work.

[joedls]

HIGHEST PRIORITY
- Repair parts for 174 $350 (snout and bearing plate)

MODERATE PRIORITY
- Scatter Shield for SBF - Top Loader <$200
- B&M Hurst Shifter for Top Loader <$125 (including installation kit, rods, etc.)
- Alternator Bracket $$?
- Main Pulley $$?

LOWER PRIORITY
If you can find parts for the 174 first, then LT Headers <$200 (I think we'll have plenty of space with most LT headers because we will have stripped so much, I think . . . )

If you can't find parts for the 174, don't get headers because there's a pretty good chance I'll get that Turbo kit if we run out of ways to make the 174 work.

Struck out on the blower parts and the shifter. I didn't look for alternator bracket or the main pulley because I think I have some in storage. I'll look next weekend.

I did, however, find a scattershield for less than your budget.

[Vettezuki]

Struck out on the blower parts and the shifter. I didn't look for alternator bracket or the main pulley because I think I have some in storage. I'll look next weekend.

I did, however, find a scattershield for less than your budget.

Great news on the scatter shield. Let me know about the bracket and pulley at your convenience. Those are easy bits to get so I'm not too worried

See transmission thread. I think we're going to have some sponsorhip that will allow us to use the Renagate sequential. :toocool:

We're down to the last couple attempts at getting the blower to work. . .

[BRUTAL64]

We're down to the last couple attempts at getting the blower to work. . .

The truck boys want to look at the broken parts. Tom, the welder, is at his shop again. He's got 4 broken fingers, but he could look at the parts also.

[Death Cult Aaronmageddon]

I'm still waiting for the laser scanner. So let me know if we're going a different route so I don't waste my time. Just think though. Lasers dude, lasers. :drink:

[BRUTAL64]

I'm still waiting for the laser scanner. So let me know if we're going a different route so I don't waste my time. Just think though. Lasers dude, lasers. :drink:



That is just plan "F" with the welding. The laser thing is first by all means.:drink:

[Vettezuki]

That is just plan "F" with the welding. The laser thing is first by all means.:drink:

Yes. The making our own billet piece definitely has way more "baller" appeal. So Aaron, think that way. The welding is our backup if there is somehow a major delay with the Laser plan. I'll get the bits from Jeff and Joe together.

[Vettezuki]

Roll Call for labor tomorrow, I expect at least enkeivette and later on, Death Cult

I'll be working from 1:00 - 6:00 at least. If you can come and work, great. be prepared to get dirty, there's lot of dirty jobs to do.

[Leedom]

I may be able to come. Kind of hard to steal away the weekend from the girlfriend.

[SeanPlunk]

Roll Call for labor tomorrow, I expect at least enkeivette and later on, Death Cult

I'll be working from 1:00 - 6:00 at least. If you can come and work, great. be prepared to get dirty, there's lot of dirty jobs to do.

I can't go unfortunately. Alexis' dad is in town this week from Michigan so we're going to the Getty tomorrow. I should be able to help again next weekend though :drink:

[Vettezuki]

I can't go unfortunately. Alexis' dad is in town this week from Michigan so we're going to the Getty tomorrow. I should be able to help again next weekend though :drink:

That's our meet and cruise day pumpkin.

[SeanPlunk]

That's our meet and cruise day pumpkin.

True, but we could always work on Easter :laugh:

[Vettezuki]

True, but we could always work on Easter :laugh:

That's Sunday, the boss's day. I'd cut out my own tongue with a rusty butter knife before screwing with that.

[big2bird]

That's Sunday, the boss's day. I'd cut out my own tongue with a rusty butter knife before screwing with that.

Now THERE's a fund raiser idea. I'll go $50.00 to watch that. Anyone else??

[BRUTAL64]

Now THERE's a fund raiser idea. I'll go $50.00 to watch that. Anyone else??

I'll match the $50.00.:judge:

[Vettezuki]

Just an FYI, I'll be going to a wedding with the Boss this Saturday, so that's out for working. She also quit her gig recently, which puts a bit of a temporary strain on free cash flow and will take some of my time in helping with setting up a new gig. But no major changes, just a minor delay; effectively none if I can help it.

[Vettezuki]

Roll call for Sunday 4/26?

Tons, of knuckle dragger work left to do.

[Vettezuki]

Just so you ya'lls know, I'm keeping the hammer down as much as possible, but due to my wife ditching her gig and us starting a new business, both my free time and money have been rather impinged of late. The dough flow will pick up again, hopefully sooner rather than later. I was going to keep some bits from the donor car, but now I'll start selling them off for cash to put back into the project.

[Vettezuki]

Some stuff we've managed to get done in the last month:

My bro (Death Cult) and I have put in some time on the front and rear bumper, stripping out and prepping the interior, dropping the gas tank and various supporting tasks. Joe dropped off the remaining bits of the blower. I'm chatting with McLeod to try and work out some support for the clutch and throwout bearing.

[Vettezuki]

Role call for this Sunday from noon.

So far:
- Me
- Aaron (Death Cult)
- Adam (enekeivette)

Work that can be done:

- removing remaining bits and pieces from the engine compartment and undercarriage
- cleaning undercarriage
- continuing to clean interior
- maybe spray some primer to protect cleaned areas.
- Working on rear bumper (enkei if he shows up)
- working on front bumper (Death Cult if he feels like that kind of work)
- welding up the other headlight door on the hood
- welding up some smaller holes
- cleaning prepping and painting the block
- blasting, cleaning prepping and painting the scatter shield
- watch me scratch my head figuring out how to make a mold for the diffuser


There will be beer.

[Vettezuki]

Today we managed to put in a decent day. Here's some pics:


Continuing to shape the rear bumper. Bit by bit.

http://motorgen.com/pic/data/771/EnginePaintDay_01.jpg

Death Cult began welding up the other cover.

http://motorgen.com/pic/data/771/EnginePaintDay_03.jpg

Blast prepping the Scatter Shield
http://motorgen.com/pic/data/771/EnginePaintDay_17.jpg



Flames make everything better. My new solar powered auto darkening welding helmet.

http://motorgen.com/pic/data/771/EnginePaintDay_04.jpg

Behold the power . . . washer.

http://motorgen.com/pic/data/771/EnginePaintDay_07.jpg

http://motorgen.com/pic/data/771/EnginePaintDay_06.jpg

Prepping the block for paint. Adam in his usual work mode.
http://motorgen.com/pic/data/771/EnginePaintDay_09.jpg

http://motorgen.com/pic/data/771/EnginePaintDay_11.jpg

Thinking about Vin Diesel and getting ready to spray.
http://motorgen.com/pic/data/771/EnginePaintDay_10.jpg

http://motorgen.com/pic/data/771/EnginePaintDay_12.jpg

http://motorgen.com/pic/data/771/EnginePaintDay_14.jpg

Tag Team
http://motorgen.com/pic/data/771/EnginePaintDay_16.jpg

http://motorgen.com/pic/data/771/EnginePaintDay_15.jpg

http://motorgen.com/pic/data/771/EnginePaintDay_18.jpg

About this time, when I asked about painting the oil pan, Adam got very excited, started talking funny and insisted on Gold. So that's what we did. I guess it's best we didn't paint the block pink, as I originally intended to just to see Joe's reaction.

http://motorgen.com/pic/data/771/EnginePaintDay_19.jpg

http://motorgen.com/pic/data/771/EnginePaintDay_20.jpg

[enkeivette]

Gold is SUPERRR!!!

[Vettezuki]

Gold is SUPERRR!!!

Thanks for asking!

[enkeivette]

http://modmycomments.com/x/celeb-quotes/big-gay-al-im-super-thanks-for-asking.gif

[Vettezuki]

http://modmycomments.com/x/celeb-quotes/big-gay-al-im-super-thanks-for-asking.gif

That's almost a Ford blue neckerchief.

[Leedom]

Looking good.

[Vettezuki]

Calling all knuckle-draggers. This Sunday, from about noon. A special guest might show up. I ain't tell'n.

[Vettezuki]

A vid (http://www.motorgen.com//vid/showphoto.php/photo/1006) of us torching off the front wheel.

[SeanPlunk]

Calling all knuckle-draggers. This Sunday, from about noon. A special guest might show up. I ain't tell'n.

I think I can make it for once :judge:

[Vettezuki]

I think I can make it for once :judge:

Come ready to get filthy dirty. I've got just the job for you :)

[enkeivette]

Calling all knuckle-draggers. This Sunday, from about noon. A special guest might show up. I ain't tell'n.

I should be able to make it... week days are best for me (if you ever have a day off).

[Vettezuki]

I should be able to make it... week days are best for me (if you ever have a day off).

Aaron is working on the car right now. Get on over there.

[big2bird]

Tad schedule behind we are, yesssssssssss..........(Yoda)

[Vettezuki]

Tad schedule behind we are, yesssssssssss..........(Yoda)

Would have been right on time if wasn't for the minor detour of starting a whole other business, corporate filings and all. :smack:

[big2bird]

What is your new completion date? I will be free to wire that puppy up sometime in Oct. Maybe sooner.

[Vettezuki]

What is your new completion date? I will be free to wire that puppy up sometime in Oct. Maybe sooner.

That should be fine. The real deadline will depend on firing up positive cash flow, which will be in the Fall at best.

My best quasi-realistic project deadline is this Calendar year.

[Vettezuki]

Just to let ya'lls know. I always put in what work I can, nibbling away at bits and pieces, even though the project itself is on a back burner til I get some cash flow again. Unless I'm hit by a meteor, this car will run!

[94cobra69ss396]

Just to let ya'lls know. I always put in what work I can, nibbling away at bits and pieces, even though the project itself is on a back burner til I get some cash flow again. Unless I'm hit by a meteor, this car will run!

If you want to get the engine running while the blower is being repaired I have a single plane intake that we could use on it. I also have a set of tri-Y headers that came off my brother-in-law's 1965 Mustang that we can see if they will fit. I've had both since around 1988 but just found them in my dad's storage shed yesterday.

[Vettezuki]

If you want to get the engine running while the blower is being repaired I have a single plane intake that we could use on it. I also have a set of tri-Y headers that came off my brother-in-law's 1965 Mustang that we can see if they will fit. I've had both since around 1988 but just found them in my dad's storage shed yesterday.

Thanks Ron. I'll keep it in mind moving forward. :thumbs_up:

[big2bird]

Okay Ben. I'm off for 3 weeks. Let's hook up and go to Chuck at ABC Welding, and get that part going.

I am also curious. Did the recycler accept the shocks/struts. I have two more sets of shocks/rotors here for ya, along with a Lincoln bumper.

I've worked on almost every car/truck that my crew at work has.:smack:

[Vettezuki]

Okay Ben. I'm off for 3 weeks. Let's hook up and go to Chuck at ABC Welding, and get that part going.

I am also curious. Did the recycler accept the shocks/struts. I have two more sets of shocks/rotors here for ya, along with a Lincoln bumper.

I've worked on almost every car/truck that my crew at work has.:smack:

My in-laws leave on Wednesday morning. Can I drop by in the afternoon?

Yes the recycler to all the steel scrap, including shocks, at $70 ton. I didn't have to separate anything. That was the minor portion at like $35. The stripped copper came in at $115. :hail:

[big2bird]

My in-laws leave on Wednesday morning. Can I drop by in the afternoon?

Yes the recycler to all the steel scrap, including shocks, at $70 ton. I didn't have to separate anything. That was the minor portion at like $35. The stripped copper came in at $115. :hail:

Yep. Just give me a ring. Chuck is there till 5PM.

[Vettezuki]

All right kids, the new biz is now up and running (and hemorrhaging money like all good new businesses). There will be dangling issues and it'll be a little while before I have the couple g of play money I need to finish RX-Snake, but I'm starting to have time to work on it again. My brother and I are going to start putting in time every week on Tuesday's, and I'll catch what I can on the weekends as well.

Likewise, big2bird has the blower and is putting it back together.

[enkeivette]

Count me in, in a few weeks. I have about a month off after finals. We need to get the body done and primered at least.

[big2bird]

Likewise, big2bird has the blower and is putting it back together.

Kinda. It's at Doug's, and close to landing with the right guy. It may take the winter, but it will be done right and cheap/free.:nuts:

[enkeivette]

Is it just me or does Bird know a guy for everything?

[Vettezuki]

Is it just me or does Bird know a guy for everything?

He knows some people. And when he doesn't, he knows people who do.

[big2bird]

Is it just me or does Bird know a guy for everything?

I have people. And like Ben says, my people have people. Iv'e just been around this hobby since I was 16 or so. That's a LONG time guys.

The guy that won Pebble Beach one year with the oldest known Model T Ford in existence sat next to me in H.S. He took over that job from me, although he was/is the better man for the job. He later became president of the Model T Ford Club of America for about 10 years running. we are still close friends.

The one master craftsman I can't seem to find anymore is a leadworker. I have just about given up. Although I do know a few 'show quality" bodywork/painters now.

It's getting quite hard to find good people now, but I keep my ears open. There are still guys around here that pour in place and machine babbitt bearings. Truely a dying art form.

[joedls]

The one master craftsman I can't seem to find anymore is a leadworker. I have just about given up. Although I do know a few 'show quality" bodywork/painters now.



I had a guy that did lead work. His name was Art Barker of Barker Customs. He did several projects with Stan Betz. Unfortunately Art fell victim to a brain tumor last year. He was a neat old guy and a magician with metal.

[big2bird]

I had a guy that did lead work. His name was Art Barker of Barker Customs. He did several projects with Stan Betz. Unfortunately Art fell victim to a brain tumor last year. He was a neat old guy and a magician with metal.

http://www.customclassictrucks.com/featuredvehicles/14818_2032_custom_rod_pickup_concept/photo_06.html

Yep. Art did the panels on the 2032. Never did meet him, but heard about him from Leonard Jennings.

[Douglas Mariani]

Kinda. It's at Doug's, and close to landing with the right guy. It may take the winter, but it will be done right and cheap/free.:nuts:

Our machinist(2nd one) can't machine the snout or front cover,so I have some feelers out on the east coast for free replacements.

[Vettezuki]

Our machinist(2nd one) can't machine the snout or front cover,so I have some feelers out on the east coast for free replacements.

Thanks Doug. In the meantime I'll pick up the pieces this weekend and talk to my uncle.

[Vettezuki]

Don't have much spare cash yet, but starting to get a little more time. Here's some stuff I'll be working on this week.

- transfer heads and intake portion of blower to BRUTAL64
- pick up other blower bits and take to my uncle's machine shop
- work with enkeivette and my brother bumper fab

In addition *maybe*
- pick up clutch setup from McLeodd
- send clutch, pistons, and balancer to Ford Performance Solutions to have pistons fly cut and assembly balanced

[Douglas Mariani]

Thanks Doug. In the meantime I'll pick up the pieces this weekend and talk to my uncle.

Glad I could help Ben and I'll bring the blower with me to Jeffs on Monday.

[big2bird]

Don't have much spare cash yet, but starting to get a little more time. Here's some stuff I'll be working on this week.

- transfer heads and intake portion of blower to BRUTAL64


The intake is still at my house. I'm also cautiously optimistic that your uncle can pull this off.

On the ignition front, my dizzy machine now has a blueprinted chuck, with new meters arriving this week. My scope has been calibrated, and has new leads coming this week.

Do we have some form of HEI unit for this project yet? No TFI BS.

[Vettezuki]

The intake is still at my house. I'm also cautiously optimistic that your uncle can pull this off.

On the ignition front, my dizzy machine now has a blueprinted chuck, with new meters arriving this week. My scope has been calibrated, and has new leads coming this week.

Do we have some form of HEI unit for this project yet? No TFI BS.

Haven't bought an HEI unit yet. Am in negotions with a potentional site sponsor know for a bag of goodies.

Need to press the snout out then my Uncle can set to work on the rest of it.

Have the links to the rebuild kit and super chiller.

[enkeivette]

I'm doing glass work on my Vettes interior tomorrow or the snakes bumper, let me know which.

[Vettezuki]

I'm doing glass work on my Vettes interior tomorrow or the snakes bumper, let me know which.

Bumper. I'll be at work into the evening, but let me know when you'll be by and I'll hook you up with a clicker so you can get in the garage.

[enkeivette]

Bumper. I'll be at work into the evening, but let me know when you'll be by and I'll hook you up with a clicker so you can get in the garage.

I'm kinda feelin noon. Make sure to make it obvious where the resin, MEKP, matte and PVA are.

[Vettezuki]

Hey kids, some updates.

The blower is at my uncle/cousin's place and I'll check on it again this week. It needed some special attention, including the fabrication of new bits (not too hard) but looks doable on last inspecdtion. I got an installation manual off ebay (thanks bird) and once confirmed the blower is going to work from machining I'll get a rebuild kit and pass to bird for clocking etc.

Over the last weeks, particularly the Holiday break, enkeivette and Death Cult worked on the front and rear bumper quite a bit respectively.

I've added a hydraulic press and parts tumbler to my shop to work on the project (and cuz I wanted them.)

New sponsor American Muscle will help with a couple bits.

Generally, now that my wife's business is up and running reasonably well, I have a bit more time. It's still hemorrhaging a bit of cash and we're on the hook for a rather large sum, but basically things are developing about as well as we expected. Once I get to break even I'll open the taps on this project and FINISH IT. I fu*king hate dangling projects and can't wait to see this thing fired up and raising hell. Of course I'm mental so it's gotta be done well and with numerous special touches ... all over.

[Shaolin Crane]

so whats still needed? i have buttloads of SBF parts that im not using

[Vettezuki]

so whats still needed? i have buttloads of SBF parts that im not using

Dizzy
Plugs and Wires
Head Gaskets
Oil Pan Gasket
Headers and gaskets

Note this is a 60s Era SBF 302. I think these parts are common up through the 80s 5.0, but I'm not 100% sure.

[Shaolin Crane]

Dizzy
Plugs and Wires
Head Gaskets
Oil Pan Gasket
Headers and gaskets

Note this is a 60s Era SBF 302. I think these parts are common up through the 80s 5.0, but I'm not 100% sure.

i have stock headers for a 88 5.0 if that would work

[Vettezuki]

i have stock headers for a 88 5.0 if that would work

I'll keep it in mind. Probably gonna go with some LT Swap Headers. Thanks for your consideration. Maybe I can suck you into a work day when I get rolling again. :)

[89StangGuy]

I think I might have some stuff to donate to your project. I have a shit ton of SBF Parts. I think i have a complete motor gasket set, header gaskets, head gasket, valve cover gaskets, intake gaskets, i also have a noisy gear drive. I Can probably just donate the gaskets if you need them. I'm in the process of looking for another fox body, but i have alot of parts i have sitting around i might be able to donate. Let me know.

[Vettezuki]

I think I might have some stuff to donate to your project. I have a shit ton of SBF Parts. I think i have a complete motor gasket set, header gaskets, head gasket, valve cover gaskets, intake gaskets, i also have a noisy gear drive. I Can probably just donate the gaskets if you need them. I'm in the process of looking for another fox body, but i have alot of parts i have sitting around i might be able to donate. Let me know.

We'll be in need of all gaskets. Since we'll be running boost, I want to use MLS HGs, but for everything else, regular stuff would be great. Gear drive for timing (right?) would be cool, whatever you feel like throw'n in. :drink:

[89StangGuy]

Ok, well i've been trying to pick up another fox body. But I've been looking for a notch back 5.0. Haven't been having any good luck finding any. So I'm almost at the brink of giving up looking for a Ford and picking up a chevy. I have a 77 Nova but it's all stock, and slow as nuts. But as for the the gaskets, i have alot of doubles, so I'll get them together and when i plan on going to a meet which probably wont be soon (lack of car) i can hand them over to the proper people. And yes it's for timing, it's the noisy type so it might sound like you have two blowers, but if i end up not finding a mustang soon, I might think about throwing it in.

[94cobra69ss396]

Dizzy
Plugs and Wires
Head Gaskets
Oil Pan Gasket
Headers and gaskets

Note this is a 60s Era SBF 302. I think these parts are common up through the 80s 5.0, but I'm not 100% sure.

Ben, the block is an 87 or newer roller block, not a 60's. Remember when we took it apart it had the spider tray in the top that holds the roller lifters in place? That's how you can tell that it's the newer block. The older blocks didn't have those.

[Vettezuki]

Ben, the block is an 87 or newer roller block, not a 60's. Remember when we took it apart it had the spider tray in the top that holds the roller lifters in place? That's how you can tell that it's the newer block. The older blocks didn't have those.

Didn't remember. Just remebered the motor came out of Joe's sixty something. :judge:

[Shaolin Crane]

I'll keep it in mind. Probably gonna go with some LT Swap Headers. Thanks for your consideration. Maybe I can suck you into a work day when I get rolling again. :)

sure, i have many specialty tools that i could bring over and help with, i also have a friend that fabricates headers...

[Shaolin Crane]

We'll be in need of all gaskets. Since we'll be running boost, I want to use MLS HGs, but for everything else, regular stuff would be great. Gear drive for timing (right?) would be cool, whatever you feel like throw'n in. :drink:

i can get you my cost on all those parts if none are donated...

[Vettezuki]

Just a lil' update. Recently Paul rebuilt, repacked the hubs and put all new studs in. They're ready to go. Tonight my brother buttoned up the front passenger fender and we began disasembling and thinking about how to mold a piece for the bolt-in/out sunroof. In the next week or so my brother and I will finish fabbing up the rear. In mid October or so, enkeivette is gonna come over and finish up the rear bumper. Then well eliminated the flash rust and prime everything we can. Money is tight and this comes out of the "fun only" money bucket so it's inching along. But I'll always move what I can. When this is done, it's gonna be pretty sweet period, and pretty amazing considering the fairly minimal amount of money that will have been put in.

[enkeivette]

I really think you should just net the top for now. How is the front bumper coming along? I want to spray epoxy.

[mdpalmer]

That thing is gonna rip, I haven't checked in on this for over a year(?)... great job guys. I was going to help out a while back but decided I had too much other crap going on to be useful. Look forward to the first timeslip! I didn't bother to read the whole thing, but do you have any plans to put this thing on a road course type setup? I think that would be a lot of fun considering the power/weight you have there :)

[Vettezuki]

That thing is gonna rip, I haven't checked in on this for over a year(?)... great job guys. I was going to help out a while back but decided I had too much other crap going on to be useful. Look forward to the first timeslip! I didn't bother to read the whole thing, but do you have any plans to put this thing on a road course type setup? I think that would be a lot of fun considering the power/weight you have there :)

We might take it to an AutoX for sheer shits and giggles sometimes, but it isn't gonna have the braking and more importantly cooling, to handle longer gnarlier stuff.

[Vettezuki]

Ok kids, I got $250 to spend on the Snake. Aaron has been slammed with work and starting his biz so rather than wait to buy body materials, I was thinking maybe button up the top, which means HGs and head bolts . Please advise on best choices here.

[Shaolin Crane]

Finish body

[Vettezuki]

Finish body

Poor reading comprehension. Don't have the time to complete that at this time. However, putting heads on the motor, etc., not such a big deal and moves the ball down field a touch.

[Shaolin Crane]

I read and I answered. Finish the body

[Vettezuki]

When are you coming over ;)

[joedls]

Ok kids, I got $250 to spend on the Snake. Aaron has been slammed with work and starting his biz so rather than wait to buy body materials, I was thinking maybe button up the top, which means HGs and head bolts . Please advise on best choices here.

Multi layered steel gaskets. I went with Cometic. And definitely ARP for the hardware.

[Shaolin Crane]

Yep, so did i. And are about 90-130 each depending. I would still do body stuff.

[Vettezuki]

Guy, I'd like to order the HG and fasteners from Ed's so that hopefully you can just bring them with you when coming to Nick's on the 14th. But I'm not positive what the correct choices are. Please advise.

[enkeivette]

Definitely MLS and ARP, Ive reused my HGs and bolts 3 or 4 times now... still good :) No sign of bolt stretching and I just keep cleaning and spraying the HGs with copper spray.

[enkeivette]

August, Im coming beginning of August to finish the body and do a coat of primer to reveal whats left to be done.

And I dont think you need to spend any money on body stuff Ben. We'll be fine till its ready for paint. Which is the very very last thing to be done

[Shaolin Crane]

Guy, I'd like to order the HG and fasteners from Ed's so that hopefully you can just bring them with you when coming to Nick's on the 14th. But I'm not positive what the correct choices are. Please advise.

1133 is the part number for the head gaskets. Ed's doesnt sell ARP, King Bolt does but they mark it up pretty badly. I do have a set of extra ARP head bolts for a 302 I was originally going to give Ron, but he said he wasnt gonna use them. Studs are the best bet for any forced induction. I can get a set of pro-comp head studs for around $50 through Pacific Engine. Identical quality and I've used them on all my engines and so has Shawn.

BTW i'm not sure i'll be at Nicks on the 14th being that's the day of my interview. However i'll be in Tustin on thursday.

[Vettezuki]

1133 is the part number for the head gaskets. Ed's doesnt sell ARP, King Bolt does but they mark it up pretty badly. I do have a set of extra ARP head bolts for a 302 I was originally going to give Ron, but he said he wasnt gonna use them. Studs are the best bet for any forced induction. I can get a set of pro-comp head studs for around $50 through Pacific Engine. Identical quality and I've used them on all my engines and so has Shawn.

BTW i'm not sure i'll be at Nicks on the 14th being that's the day of my interview. However i'll be in Tustin on thursday.


If you don't mind, get whatever you think is best from Ed's and Pacific Engines, tell me what it all costs and I'll PayPal you, or whatever you prefer. You can get them to me at some point in the future. Not exactly an emergency just want to keep some movement, however minimal.

[enkeivette]

Whats wrong with the bolts/ head gaskets the motor had? And head studs are neat, but I see no rationalization for arguing that theyre stronger. If anything the bolts would be stronger, less chance theyll break off at the head.

Studs are novel, and not the best use of an additional $60 when building on a budget.

[Vettezuki]

It's bit hazy now, but I don't think I ever had them. The block and the heads may have been separate from the git go. :huh:

The Lemon Fox is the build it with duct tape car, the Snake is on a budget, but not that much of a budget, so if $50 +- for something that offers definite reliability increase is worthwhile.

[Shaolin Crane]

Studs are novel, and not the best use of an additional $60 when building on a budget.

Uhm what? Tell that to all the diesel dudes who need studs because of boost. Studs apply torque more evenly to the head, allow for greater torque ratings when installing. Torque rating for bolts are completely different for that of studs. A torque wrench rates torque based off resistance right? Well a bolt stretches on a vertical and horizontal plane where a stud is only vertical.

[enkeivette]

First this is a gas engine, it won't be seeing 18:1 compression. I've melted pistons with too much boost, and blown head gaskets, my now reused for the 4th time ARP head BOLTS have never been a problem, and I would be STUNNED if they ever were.

We apply power to the ground with FIVE studs, but you think a head is going to pop off with SEVENTEEN bolts holding it on per side? Excuse me while I masturbate the air. And sorry for not patting you on the back to assit you in justifying your investment.

The Snake is running a roots blower, meaning, it won't see 13lbs of boost. My motor is seeing 13 lbs of boost, same basic engine, with never a head bolt issue. Now excuse me while I go respond to the massive amounts of threads where people are having engine issues due to head bolts.

[Shaolin Crane]

First this is a gas engine, it won't be seeing 18:1 compression. I've melted pistons with too much boost, and blown head gaskets, my now reused for the 4th time ARP head BOLTS have never been a problem, and I would be STUNNED if they ever were.

We apply power to the ground with FIVE studs, but you think a head is going to pop off with SEVENTEEN bolts holding it on per side? Excuse me while I masturbate the air. And sorry for not patting you on the back to assit you in justifying your investment.

The Snake is running a roots blower, meaning, it won't see 13lbs of boost. My motor is seeing 13 lbs of boost, same basic engine, with never a head bolt issue. Now excuse me while I go respond to the massive amounts of threads where people are having engine issues due to head bolts.
The compression has nothing to do with needing studs on a diesel, its the clamping force when increasing boost. Secondly you're comparing two COMPLETELY different engines. A sbc has a different bolt pattern for the head, you know that EXTRA bolt per cylinder the sbf doesnt have, plus there is less sealing surface on the sbf. I'm not talking about in general, i'm talking about the ACTUAL engine we're using which has a long running history of having head gasket issues. Especially when using a roots type blower that puts a completely different type of stress on the block that an eaton or centri does.

For the record, i'm not justifying my investment, i've staed many times in ALOT of threads that my cost on the studs is less then what someone can buy a set of bolts for. At that point why the fuck would i downgrade? Just to say I did? I didnt think so.

Btw a sbf only has 10 bolts per side, not 17, that's a big difference especially when we're talking boost.

[enkeivette]

Wow, I didnt realize it only had ten... thats just barely over 2 per cylinder, shitty design. Ok, nm.

[Shaolin Crane]

Wow, I didnt realize it only had ten... thats just barely over 2 per cylinder, shitty design. Ok, nm.

Very shitty design. Why do you think i'm such a big advocate of the LSx? What can you really expect from an engine designed in '61? Though "technically" the lsx has the same number of head bolts. Not really though.

MLS HG's will help greatly but studs are needed on a sbf with boost.

For those that dont remember, i went with MLS HG's, converted the block to 1/2" hardware and ran 12pt studs.

[Vettezuki]

Used Joe's contribution to buy MLS HGs and head studs. enkeivette will be coming in August to finish up the rear bumper and spray primer (gonna need some love to get to the primer stage thoguh as we now have some flash rust . . no worm rust though). We'll install the heads when it's convenient for 94cobra69ss396

[Shaolin Crane]

Did I read right, we're running the garbage e6's?

[Vettezuki]

Did I read right, we're running the garbage e6's?

No. We have some heads that are basically Chinese versions of Victor Juniors (actually cast in the same factory/line).

[Shaolin Crane]

Oh ok

[Vettezuki]

Picked up HGs and Studs from guy last night. In the next month or so, dpeending on Ron's avilability we can button up some of top end. enkeivette is coming in August to work on the bumper and possibly prime it.

[Vettezuki]

NEEDED: Cheap ass set of wheels and tires to move this car around in the coming months. 5x114.3

[joedls]

Any progress being made on the car? I could possibly donate some more but not really interested in doing that without progress.

[Vettezuki]

Your last contribution was used to acquire head studs and and head gaskets.

I'm coming out of the dark ages and am in the the middle of a potentially significant property move that will further improve my financial situation and provide a GREAT shop space to boot. But nothing will happen until February at the earliest.

[joedls]

OK. Let me know when you're ready to work on the car again and I'll make another contribution.

[Shaolin Crane]

I could use a contribution :uh:

[Vettezuki]

I'll save up my belly button lint if you like.

[Vettezuki]

John,

I'm still battling in real estate land to find a place that works for what my priorities and resources are presently. That almost certainly is going to be even smaller than what I have at this time.

1. My brother and I have the Snake back together. When it's rollable, I'd like to send it to you along with the Lemons
2. I have a blast cabinet and 20 ton press you're welcome to use until I move to another place. We're talking at least a couple years. Let me know.

On the upside, if I can maneuver through this complex of competing requirements and play the market well enough, I will be in a MUCH better financial position to support these projects.

[BRUTAL64]

I'd thought I would see how the progress on the Snake was going.......:sm_up_there:

[Vettezuki]

Not much since the last time you were around I suppose. We did start a whole other car though!

[Shaolin Crane]

Not much since the last time you were around I suppose. We did start a whole other car though!

Did we?

[Vettezuki]

Did we?

Yes. "We" did start one . . heck, it's not all that far from making some noise.

[BRUTAL64]

Yes. "We" did start one . . heck, it's not all that far from making some noise.

Cool.....I'll catch up on the latest project.

[joedls]

Anything happening with this car?

[Vettezuki]

Yes. It'll go to enkeivette/Adam to complete when he gets a house and moves back to the OC sometime within a year. You can still drive it as a primary contributor when done. Preferably not into the nearest loading dock.

[94cobra69ss396]

I got a notification that you (Ben) posted an update on this but it's not here. Is that still the plan? If so, I'm in for working on it but my time would be limited as both of my daughters are playing club volleyball so we have practice, games and tournaments for the next 9 months.

[Vettezuki]

I'll chat with Enkeivette and see where he's at. Mostly I don't want to repeat what I've done in the past. My days of things sitting are over.

[Shaolin Crane]

I got a notification that you (Ben) posted an update on this but it's not here. Is that still the plan? If so, I'm in for working on it but my time would be limited as both of my daughters are playing club volleyball so we have practice, games and tournaments for the next 9 months.
Should be an option to "view post" due to your moderator settings, I can see it. Maybe Ben changed his mind?

[Vettezuki]

Should be an option to "view post" due to your moderator settings, I can see it. Maybe Ben changed his mind?

I just want to talk to Adam a bit first. Then we'll see.

[Vettezuki]

Shaolin Crane is taking this over and is going to do something unspeakable to it.

[Shaolin Crane]

Shaolin Crane is taking this over and is going to do something unspeakable to it.

Beyond being inside of it? (Consensual of course)

[94cobra69ss396]

So is this what you need the crank gear for? What are the plans for it?

[Shaolin Crane]

So is this what you need the crank gear for? What are the plans for it?

Well, I'm going to put that tube bumper you gave me to good use.
And yes, that's what I meant when I said I inherited the Snake :judge:

[94cobra69ss396]

Tube bumper? Does that mean a drift car maybe? Come on now, spill the beans or is it a secret?

[Vettezuki]

Genuinely happy to see this come to life. Even if it will be like Frankenstein. :)

[Shaolin Crane]

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[Shaolin Crane]

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